Russia - threadbanned users in OP

I'm not sore about Izyum. I'd be much more pro Ukraine than Russia (not pro Zelensky though and obviously not pro Putin) but understand the NATO/ USA stuff and ceasefire violations ratcheted up tensions. Definitely pro helping Ukranian refugees.

To me this war/ slaughter is not a joke and needs to stop before something even worse happens.

Apologies, I bookmarked the link from this site a while back. I should have read the paper.

I couldn't find the stat the headline suggested. As you can see the conclusion points to pro Ukranian bot accounts supporting non bot accounts but couldn't find stats. Sorry, it looks like I got that one wrong.

The war started when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014

Do you require any further clarification?

Okay, this is last one. I haven't posted anything pro Russian, I think Russia really let itself down and some appalling atrocities have been committed as a consequence.

I'm pointing out obvious things, that there was a build up to war and USA meddling in my opinion did not help. Again, all this thread seems to be people cheering on a war in which tons of real people are dying. I'm saying a ceasefire and peace would be better and the war is really dangerous.

I've never been to Russia and know very little about what it's like on the ground but lots of msm sources point to Putin's popularity. I see him as an autocrat with nuclear weapons refusing to hand over power.

In saying that, should the West keep supporting Ukraine as it takes back Crimea (majority Russian according to Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea) which was gifted to Ukraine in 1954 by USSR? The USA want to oust Putin. Who would be in charge of the nukes then? Navalny, the guy who called migrants insects? The whole thing seems crazy to me but as someone pointed out I'm a media illiterate so wtfdik.

It's not my claim. It's been put forward by others and that's why I contacted OSCE myself.

If Ukraine invaded it would get no support. If Russia invaded the West would back it up. That much is obvious, whether the claim is true or not I don't know but the OSCE records make a strong case for it to me.

What US meddling?

Were there CIA men in long coats on street corners in Moscow hypnotizing Putin and his cadres to launch a war with mind-rayguns?

For the record, the OSCE Budapest Memorandum to which Russia is a signatory, recognises it is the right of sovereign nations to choose security alliances as it sees fit. Be it NATO, be it Russia's sh*tty version of NATO the CSTO, be it Ukraine's defence pact with China, or Portugal's defence guarantees from the UK that go back centuries.

If Russia is not a country of honour it should not put its name to agreements, so we all know exactly know what we're dealing with. Far simpler.

And at that, Ukraine's relationship with NATO was stalled. Ukraine was decades off joining before February of this year.

There was no meddling, just vanilla Russian autocratic bullsh*t. Anyone who is repeating what you posted west of the Suwalki Gap is actually parroting dumb propaganda intended for uneducated babushkas and alcoholics in the Russian provinces. You're not "in the know", you're repeating congealed sh*te intented for the lower strata of Russian society who are accustomed to swallowing Russian state media uncritically. Congratulations, you lose at thinking.