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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,985 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,777 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    again, this bullsh1t, yes, borrowing is how money is created for our economies, this is done in both the public and private domains, but most money created in both, particularly over the last few years, has been primarily used to inflate asset prices such as property, and has largely remained within our global financial systems, and has not made it into the real economy. covid supports were doing more or less the opposite, i.e. the money/debts created, were in fact going directly into our economies, maintaining them throughout the pandemic, without which, there simply would have been global economic carnage. we re now probably in a far more serious state, and more or less the same thing needs to be done again, new debts need to be taken on, or we truly are gonna experience economic carnage, and since large parts of the private sector are now in serious trouble, relying on them to take on these new debts, well that more than likely wont work! so the only other solution is public borrowing!

    we truly could be out of road if we dry our economies up of money, forcing businesses to close, and......

    ...so borrow borrow borrow, or else......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,635 ✭✭✭fliball123


    We tried that for the last 15 phucking years and look where we are. We are the third most indebted country in the world y'know we are 240Billion in debt, we tried keeping the economy going by pumping 30 billion in over Covid and barring the initial burst of growth at the start of the year it will prove to be a failure, we have too many conditions going the wrong way - Inflation, interest rates, growth, consumer sentiment and our debt. We are too open an economy to be self sufficient. After all of these borrowings what are we left with, we have an antiquated not fit for purpose public sector that has bloat all the way through it and a legacy of pensions that the bog standard worker cant afford now. We have infrastructure that is out of date and not fit for purpose. We have the most expensive welfare regime going so much so it is attracting welfare tourists to our country world wide. At what point do we say STOP. At what point will it become apparent that we are taking on debt for our kids and grand kids to pay back. We tried your way and it failed miserably. Unfortunately its not just about the borrowing it is the p1ss poor way it has been spent, the people in power can not be trusted I don't want another cent borrowed in my name so these gobshites can throw it into the bonfire that is Ireland. So time to cut the fat. You seem to think the ECB printing presses will be turned back on we are an insignificant small little country in the West of Europe when it comes to Germany and France and their issues they will be listened to and we wont be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,260 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    With US CPI data today how do we still have people saying they want more stimulus 🤣🤣. Probability increasing for 1% hike now. Europe could be even in a worse situation soon.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones



    "Transitory inflation". Remember that line

    That ship has long sailed. More and more organisations, banks, think tanks etc talking of worsening conditions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The inflation pic wasn't looking too bad in North America compared to Europe, both are getting worse



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    Does anybody know what was / is the driving force behind EU decisions in these areas . Why have EU politicians allowed the EU to be driven in the direction that it has in the areas of energy and food ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones



    IBEC looking for bail outs and hand outs. Meanwhile staff are probably on minimum wage. Anyway

    Uk food inflation hits 12% with expected knock ons for Irish grocery prices and even higher prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭CeCe12


    Correct, most contractors agreements state they may be ended at any time by either party without prior notice or for any specific reason. Very frightening position to be in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    No one ever wants to talk about it but most food production in Europe today is barely above the price of production.


    Ever cheaper food and ever higher margin in the factory and shop at the consumer.


    People throwing in the towel on farming is the biggest threat to food production in Europe. 20 years of decline have seen to that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    To a degree Russia buying influence and giving leg ups to people like Merkel played a part but it is mostly just arrogance and complacency.


    Food supply and production, Energy supply, the idea of strategic national interests etc, they are all" not cool".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Yeah it's not looking good at all tbh.

    Even some of the Bertie's are beginning to see sense at this stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Danno


    Everything that politicians touch, turns to sh1t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    This is what happens when your ideology is to only go for the cheapest - the cheapest energy, cheapest food, etc.

    For decades neoliberals in power in EU and US have looked to shift from domestic production to cheaper imports from poorer countries. Finally we are seeing it all blow up in their faces. Many people have long since said we should be producing our own clothes, our own energy, our own food.

    After the initial outsourcing craze in IT, most jobs were brought back domestically due to shoddy results - but only after productivity fell did it happen. Well it will be the same way with goods. When countries have shortages of their own and decide "No. We will not export food to you" then the penny will finally drop that this was a foolish policy, and only then will the head honchos realize the error of their ways.

    It's plain to see what will happen to food production next year, there is a real and tangible future of food scarcity on the horizon. India already restricting rice exports is just the start. Domestic production is about to become not profitable or viable for many in europe due to fert and energy prices, so if they are not subsidised immediately ahead of next planting we will see shortages next year. But do those in charge have the foresight to realise this?



  • Posts: 441 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If it wasn't for that neoliberal bastard Ronald Reagan, this is potentially what we could have had,

    President carter wanted to solve the energy crisis by putting giant solar power plants in orbit and then beam the energy back down to earth using microwaves. If it had been started it would be almost complete and the US at least would no longer have to rely on oil or gas for its electricity needs.

    Sorry it's not really recession related but it's still pisses me off what we potentially could have had if we had decent forward thinking leaders.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Looking like Uniper is in a real bad way now. The government is in talks with upping it's stake in the business to between 50% - 100%. Currently estimated losses of 100 million Euro's per day.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    You have to feel awful for this sort of business owner and what they are facing into. You'll get the Bertie's of this world telling her to suck it up, everything is fine or maybe go as far as calling her a Putinbot for having the audacity to be worried about her business and the livelihoods of her employees but any decent thinking person can understand how stressful it is to see these frankly horrendous energy bills drop through the letterbox.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    On the contrary ,those in charge want even greater reliance on the cheapest food production and less self sufficiency within the EU .Witness the continuing negotiations on a Mercosur deal . The energy crisis has taught them nothing .

    What exactly does it take to get through to these people ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If you can't see how the current situation is an existential crisis for most of the Western European economy then you either live outside of it or in a bubble.


    Personally I'm shi77ing the arrival of my next bill.(sole trader and household).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Many can see it Danzy they just don't want to face up to it for their own selfish reasons.

    Bertie's.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,004 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Oh for heaven's sake...if Darth Putin bothers you so much it's very simple - Ignore him or take his posts apart line by line. I have no issues with his or anyones contributions but he seems to have 'spooked' a whole load of ye. Build a bridge. It's snowflake behaviour.

    I don't even believe in 'bots' on Boards.

    I guess that makes me a recession-bot or Putin-bot? Fine.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Everyone is affected, it is a nightmare. But it is going to get far worse than this once the next couple of increases come in. By Spring bills could easily be double this.

    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭lisasimpson


    See Patreon has announces the closure of its dublin office. Wonder how many more of the small tec companies will follow suit now venture capital is drying up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Do you not think the reduction in the price of gas, the cap on non gas electricity pricing will have any impact on prices or you believe they will increase?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Gas usage and prices will increase in winter. Energy usage as a whole will increase too.

    Separating gas from other electric pricing will help somewhat, however more gas will be used for periods in winter with low wind due to poor solar and the extra strain on gas for heating, which will push prices back up.

    There is a reason the EU are trying to cut electricity consumption in a big way across the board.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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