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  • Posts: 4,503 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah, I've every faith in the technical ability of Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,936 ✭✭✭threeball


    That radiation is concentrated at the epicenter and degrades the further out you move, so sure someone 20 miles away will get a dose and get cancer in 5 or 10yrs but in the meantime he'll send everything he has back in your direction so you better have more and better. Russia obviously don't



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Latest from Kadyrov.

    He has a go at all the armchair generals on Telegram, maintains that the current army leadership are in the best place to continue with the SMO.

    Interesting that such a high up person in the Russian government feels to need to respond to criticism of the handling of the war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,734 ✭✭✭seenitall


    No worries about any bother, I am an insomniac and killing time by reading or posting. But now I’m certainly delighted I posted those few, I like irking rude people! ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Wouldn't call him high up in the Russian government,

    He keeps Chechnya quite in return he keeps his millionaire status and when putin calls and says I'm sending 10,000 young Chechen men to Ukraine to be slaughtered,

    he replies yes master



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    So glad that Kadyrov could take a break from making Tik Toks where he rides in an open top jeep firing off a gold-plated Kalashnikov in the air to make this announcement.



  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    30-40% chance of a collapse in the Russian army, says retired Air Marshal . A former senior member of the British armed forces has said there is a 30-40% chance that Russia's armed forces could collapse and the war could be over by Christmas.

    Retired RAF Air Marshal Edward Stringer, the ex-director-general of the Defence Academy and director-general of Joint Force Development, Strategic Command, told Sky's Kay Burley he previously thought the war would go into next year, but things have changed on the ground.

    He said: "I do not see that the Russians will be able to rebuild their armed forces to be able to re-seize the initiative and retake the offensive again.

    "And so now we are into seeing how this develops on the ground and one hopes that Zelenskyy will be in a position where he can start to negotiate favourable terms and perhaps even defeat the entire Russian invasion of his country

    "Eventually all conflicts end in negotiation. One has to calibrate to what extent you have to keep channels open and to what extent you allow him (Putin) to think that he's still part of the family of nations.

    "I always thought it would go into next year. I think it is possible now, and one hates to be the person that says it will all be over by Christmas, but it is possible now that there could be a collapse in the Russian armed forces... it's a good 30-40%, and that calls into question the future of Putin, Putinism, and the West should think very strongly now about what the world looks like post-Putin."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Strange, maybe they're **** their pants? Read somewhere lots of faeces left all over the place by Russian military. Maybe they have a problem with their field rations and get diarrhea? Is this why they need loads of new boxers and y fronts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @uafásach

    A former senior member of the British armed forces has said there is a 30-40% chance that Russia's armed forces could collapse and the war could be over by Christmas.

    Where have I heard that one before?

    Anyway, if Ukraine can make big inroads in the south or Donbas (i.e. the areas the bots are now claiming Russia really wanted all along), it'd be a real sign that the Russian effort is about to fall apart. Here's hoping we get some good news on that front in the coming days and weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    The military aviation enthusiasts here will find this Russian video hilarious

    Apparently it’s a bridge support that nazis started to build back in ww2

    aside: the dniepr is ridiculously wide as rivers go



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Interestingly, Estonia derussofied their institutions after independence so there isn't the widespread corruption that we see in Russia. Ukraine didn't have the same sort of process until much later and it's still early days for them but they still suffered from similar corruption levels as Russia. Not terribly surprising when you consider that Russia could influence who was in charge back then. After all this, I can definitely see them becoming a modern, successful country once they get rid of the Russian influence. That's really Putin's biggest fear outside of ending up like Ghaddafi - another neighbour whose citizens have a standard of living that Russians can only dream of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Ah sure someone will be along shortly to tell us ocrs have retaken land again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    There's a mansion in Sochi that could be used for testing purposes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande




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    Ukrainians and Russians are more alike that they are different and they do share the same heritage, it's even in the language they speak. If you want to associate brutality of armies as being culture, may I suggest that you look in the history books, there is more than enough brutality to go around, neither side has a monopoly on virtue.

    You point out there are a lot of people dead and lives destroyed. I think we can find common ground and agree the crimes you outline should not have happened in the first place. We have the benefit of hindsight we can look at how this situation developed, what mistakes were made and learn how these can be avoided in future. The war can be dragged out it won't last forever. One side can retreat, lick it's wounds and try again. We don't want a recurrence. The question I want you to try answer is how could this all have been avoided?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    How could it been avoided? Really??

    By Putin not waking up on wrong side of bed on morning of 24th and deciding it be a fine morning to start largest war in Europe since WW2

    Just because Russia and Ukraine share Slavic ancestry it doesn’t give Russia the right to invade its neighbours.

    This Ukraine is not a country meme you are peddling is tiring, almost identical what was posted higher up in that video from daily insanity that is Russian talk shows.

    I think by now I have driven a t80 through the cultural/economic/geographical etc justification for this silly war which you have posted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭thomil


    Yes and no. Yes, the fallout can be, and has been in the case of Nagasaki and especially Hiroshima, absolutely lethal, as will the radiation flash. It is not guaranteed however that modern nuclear weapons will produce the same insane amounts of fallout that those two first bombs did. For starters, even the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were massively different. Little Boy, the Hiroshima bomb, was a "plug" type weapon using Uranium-235 as a fuel, whose fission process, when detonated consumed less than one kilogram of the total 64 of U-235 included in the weapon, leaving the rest to produce all kinds of nasty isotopes whilst being spread about by the explosion. This greatly contributed to both the horrendous immediate after-effects of the bombing as well as to the long-lasting consequences suffered by the survivors and their descendants

    Fat Man, the weapon dropped on Nagasaki, was a far more efficient, but also experimental design, a plutonium-fueled implosion weapon, which contained far less fuel, 6.19 kilograms of Plutonium 239. It also reacted far more efficiently, with about 1 kilogram of this fuel undergoing fission during the explosion, resulting in far less "bomb debris" to decay into long-life isotopes. That is not to say that Nagasaki had it easy, the explosion was just as horrendous for the people of that city as it had been for those in Hiroshima, and one unlucky person infamously experienced both explosions. However, from the studies that I could find, it appears that, even accounting for the different geography and the fact that the Nagasaki bomb was wildly off-target, detonating over an industrial and factory district, rather than the city center, the long term aftereffects, whilst still horrible, were less severe than those recorded in Hiroshima.

    To the best of my knowledge, all modern nuclear weapons are plutonium implosion type weapons, meaning that they will not have as much fissile material to be thrown around by the explosion as Little Boy had. Furthermore, given the advancements in nuclear technology since the 1940s, it is safe to assume that the percentage of fissile material that is actually consumed in a detonation will be significantly higher than the 16% seen in Fat Man, though details on that are naturally classified. So unless someone detonates a cobalt or neutron bomb, the amount of unused fuel, and the isotopes produced from that, will be relatively limited.

    Another aspect is going to be the altitude above ground at which the bomb will be detonated. A high-altitude air burst will produce only minimal amounts of fallout, whilst a ground-level or low altitude explosion will produce tons of it. Conversely, the effect on ground targets will be more severe in a low-altitude explosion. As with so many things regarding nuclear weapons, the exact altitudes planned for by the different nuclear powers are classified, so there's no way for us to tell how much material will be thrown up by a detonation.

    In general, I noticed the complete lack of the radiation aspect in the Quora article, together with a few other inconsistencies. The author of that post overestimates the number of nuclear tests since 1945 by almost a third, with the recorded number standing at 2121 tests, of which 520 were above-ground detonations, with the vast majority of these taking place between the late 1940s and the early to mid 1960s, though some outliers, in particular the Vela Hotel incident, took place much later. And as you said, there's no mention of the intense flash of gamma radiation that is emitted immediately once fission, or fusion starts.

    So no, nuclear weapons aren't as "carefree" as that Quora post makes it seem. On the other hand, we've had several hundred above-ground nuclear explosions within a relatively short time frame in the 1950s and 1960s, some of which took place relatively close to inhabited areas, such as the Nevada test site, were some explosions were visible from Las Vegas, and the areas in question haven't devolved into some mutant-infested radioactive wasteland. So I'd say the truth is somewhere between the two extremes, though I'm definitely in the camp of "let's try to avoid these things if at all possible!"

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Is that an example of corruption? Is someone siphoning off a percentage of that money?. I have read a handwritten letter from an soldier stuck in the trenches of WW I to his wife in Limerick requesting she send clean underwear and socks. He also describes the conditions of the trenches, the mud, the noise, the death and destruction and the fear. It affected her and she stopped writing to him. His last letter to her asks why she no longer writes to him? Two weeks later he was dead. She kept the letters and passed them down to her son. The last time the son say his father was when the fire brigade, did a drive through Limerick looking for volunteers to sign up in 2014, easy money, home by Christmas they said . . he survived 2 years.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Depends on your definition of "before this war". Ukraine were making steps to address this already in 2014 - which is largely why this whole mess started.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Imagine how much it would boil our blood if the UK invaded the Republic of Ireland at some point in the future and you had commentators in other parts of the world going, "Well, they speak the same language, have a shared history, and didn't I see some people from that island waving a Union Jack on TV a few times? Obviously there is some justification for this invasion..."

    The history between Ukraine and Russia has certainly not always been rosy, and indeed, they have their own famine memories in even more recent history than ours and more of a case to say it was a deliberate genocide by the Soviet regime of the time, perhaps. So, the idea that Ukraine's latter day moves to distance itself from Russia are nothing more than a result of western meddling would be to ignore the history between the countries in question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There fauqed so ,

    Being Ukraine is reducing the army to bare minimum levels of operational usefulness,he might have to send his troops in Belarus instead,

    Which leaves Belarus to open to several situations that could favor the Ukrainans



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    That's hilarious. I saw a pro-Russian YouTuber talk for 15 minutes about this a few weeks ago. They were spinning it as a plot hatched by MI6 to send Ukrainian commandos across the Dniepr to try and seize the nuclear power plant. He claimed that they had killed 65 of them. I remember thinking it was fishy since the only people reporting it were pro-Russian twitter accounts and there was no evidence of any bodies or anything like that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Remember it was only recently reported that the Russians stopped an attack on the plants front gate when IAEA inspectors were there.....


    Still no evidence presented on here to prove it ever happened



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    You are avoiding the question. Putin did not suddenly have a fight with his mistress one morning, take his anger out by kicking the dog and deciding that day was a good day to invade another country. He and the people around him have a history of interfering in the affairs of "near Russia", and did signal their intentions over the course of his reign. There was a build up to this over two decades.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Or so he claims. I have issues with a couple points he makes. No one is claiming that one nuclear weapon detonated would result in the end of humanity - they are worried about one launch starting a nuclear war with hundreds of warheads being launched. And nuclear weapons absolutely are not essentially incendiary devices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Explain how this could have been prevented in your opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Armenia are about to find out just how reliable their Russian defence pact is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,219 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I would feel a good deal of sympathy towards Armenia, given that they've had to endure a lot of pain from the Ottoman Empire and which segues into the modern day of Turkey backing Azerbaijan against them, but Armenia really have the wrong ally in Russia. Unfortunately for them, their geographical position doesn't offer a whole lot of other options on who to buddy up with.



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