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Why was Today FM called Radio Ireland?

  • 31-08-2022 8:19pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭


    Didn't it sound very formal and old-fashioned in 1997? Also did RTE not have any issue with the name cosidering its an exact translation of Radio Eireann ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,223 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    At the time of launch, Radio Ireland was very much targeted at the RTE radio 1 market. It was pitched with talk, specialist music and art programmes and so 'formal and old fashioned' should have appealed to its target audience. RTE did make some mutterings about the name, but there was nothing they could do about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Staplor


    Also it was an independent station broadcasting nationwide



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Expunge


    It was an embarrassing mess of a schedule from day one. Some not very good presenters mixed in with some good ones.

    Dire name, dire imaging. Doomed to fail trying to go up against ( a much stronger in those days) Radio One with such a terrible schedule.

    John McColgan, his missus (now RTE Chairperson!!!!) and friends should have set fire to their money instead.



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers the original imaging, the jingle was a woman singing RADIO IRELAND out of tune, it sounded very Alan partridge



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭druss


    It had a Dermot Morgan comedy selection show which I quite liked though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    I am not sure they couldn't have, the IRTC should have really told them that the name was already taken. Logo doesn't really go with the traditional idea of a national station, horribly clunky



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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭MrSing


    Was it called Centaury FM at one stage ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    The licence from the IRTC was first given to Centry but it close after a year or so in the early 1990s, Today FM was give the licence a good 6 years after that.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Yes, Century Radio (I don't know if its name was changed to Century FM - maybe it was) had the original national independent license. It started broadcasting in early September 1989 and the plug was abruptly pulled in the middle of November 1991. A new competition had to be held for that radio license. Eventually, Radio Ireland won that competition and was launched on the night of St. Patrick's 1997. It was renamed to Today FM in early January 1998.

    What I would say about Radio Ireland/Today FM for its first year or two was that it had a lot of different styles of programming, including specialist music shows and more talk shows. It was actually quite adventurous, particularly in light of what happened to its predecessor. The original Radio Ireland line up included people who had been on Century Radio - Declan Meehan, Bob Gallicoe and Robbie Irwin. In its last month as Radio Ireland, they were joined by yet another Century Radio presenter Mark Byrne. Another ex-Century Radio presenter, Jim O'Neill, did the voiceover for the rebranded Today FM and eventually did become a presenter on Today FM.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭Aglomerado




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    I recall that when Dermot Morgan died in 1998 that there was a special version of the regular Sunday show The Sunday Supplement dedicated to Dermot, which was presented by journalist Sam Smyth. He was a friend of Dermot Morgan and a regular panelist on The Sunday Supplement at the time. This show ran for a few years starting on Radio Ireland. The original presenter was publisher John Ryan and the other regular panelists were George Byrne (r.i.p.), Declan Lynch and journalist and future RTE presenter Katie Hannon. Sam Smyth eventually took over as permanent presenter and it subsequently was replaced with The Sam Smyth Show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭GSF


    Today fm kept bits of Radio Ireland for years. Sam Smyth, Donal Dineen, John Kelly, Eamonn Dunphy on the last word etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    John Kelly left Today FM in late 1998 - possibly November.

    The River of Soul, presented by Karl Tsignidos, kept going until 2003.

    Among the other original presenters, Declan Meehan and Phil Cawley stayed with Today FM for years. Declan left in 2016 and Phil left last year. He was the final presenter that went all the way back to Radio Ireland.

    I'm not sure if sports presenter Paul Collins was there at the very start of Radio Ireland, but he certainly arrived during the Radio Ireland days - possibly April 1997. He left Today FM during 2019.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    John Kelly got good money to move to RTÉ, not sure why as he'd be consider niche IMO, but he was one of the top earners for about 5 years in the early 2000s, if not from the late 1990s


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Among the more curious changes during the Radio Ireland days was replacing a late night Saturday dance show presented by Mark Kavanagh with a love songs show presented by Jon Troy!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭GSF


    Every local outside Dublin had Late night love shows in the 90s ( except maybe Kerry, Mayo and Donegal)



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    In the beginning it was regarded as a major oversight/mistake that the original imaging and logo didn't mention the stations frequencies of 100-102, when it became Today FM, 100-102 was mentioned in every link for about 10 years, nowadays you never hear it anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    They’ve deliberately removed it from all imaging / logos etc. Foley even joked about it when he came back.

    I’d say it’s just something that’s become almost irrelevant nowadays with smart speakers, streaming, podcasting, etc. Even in the car, possibly the only place I still listen to traditional “FM” I don’t manually tune the dial to “100”…



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    incidentally, I think Lyric FM is the only national radio station that would still mention it's frequencies (96/99) frequently on air.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Newstalk mentions its frequencies too : 106-108FM.

    So where are the presenters from the Radio Ireland days now?

    Here are some.

    Declan Meehan - East Coast FM

    Phil Cawley - South East Radio and Classic Hits

    Philip Boucher Hayes - RTE Radio One

    Jon Troy - CharityRadio,ie

    Paul Power - KFM

    John Kelly - Lyric FM

    Karl Tsigdinos - RTE Gold and Dublin City FM, as well as journalist and graphic designer

    Liam Mackey - Journalist and sometimes commentator

    Bill Hughes - Producer/Director Mind the Gap Films and contributor to Newstalk

    Gavin Duffy - Businessman and chairman of MediaTraining.ie

    Eamon Dunphy - The Last Stand podcast

    Cathy Farrell (now Catherine Farrell) - Programming Editor, Morning Ireland, RTE Radio One

    Donal Dineen - film maker, broadcaster and lecturer

    Post edited by Declan A Walsh on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,309 ✭✭✭✭Bard


    It's still their company name, as far as I'm aware... i.e.: "Radio Ireland T/A Today FM" 😉



  • Registered Users Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Dr Karl


    Didn't Emily O'Reilly, the EU Ombudsperson, present a rival show to Morning Ireland with PBH?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Half-right. It was with Gavin Duffy. I think the show was called Daybreak, but I am not sure. At various times, either Mark Costigan or Cathy Farrell would stand in for one or other. By the end of its run, the latter two were the main presenters. Philip Boucher Hayes presented an entertainment news type programme weekdays around lunchtime. In early December 1997, Radio Ireland replaced their weekday morning current affairs programme with a music-led breakfast show presented by Mark Byrne. This carried over into Today FM. During the summer of 1998, Mark left Today FM when he heard that Ian Dempsey would be joining the station and presenting the breakfast show! Paul Power, who had been presenting an early weekday show at that stage, was the main breakfast presenter for the remaining period until Ian started presenting in late September.



  • Registered Users Posts: 753 ✭✭✭denishurley


    When PBH was let go, he was told it was because of “listener resistance”

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/union-seeks-meeting-over-dropped-radio-presenter-1.80610



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Interesting article. I practically got the name of the current affairs programme right - Day Break! So by June 1997, PBH was dropped and replaced by Paul Power, who had been a weekend presenter, and Gavin Duffy had left to be replaced by his frequent stand-in Mark Costigan. I think Emily O'Reilly continued for a little longer before being permanently replaced by Cathy Farrell, upon her departure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Expunge


    D'ya remember Cliona Ni something used to do a mid morning music show? Dreadful it was, followed by Lord Boucher Hayes.


    It hadn't a chance. Whoever put that schedule and "talent" together should have been shot with a ball of their own excrement.


    Who was the first programme director of Radio Ireland, by the way?



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    Brendan O'Connors father in-law John Cadden was the first pd, he resigned in autumn 97 when the board rejected his new schedule which consisted of Paddy Murray and Liam Mackay on breakfast, Eamon Dunphy on Midmorning Emily O'Reilly On Lunchtime



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Expunge


    Yes, it's one thing basking in the reflected glory of a giant talent like Gay Byrne (as one of a number of producers) and quite another trying to gel together a credible and listenable schedule from scratch for a station that depends 100 per cent on ad revenue.

    Just another in a fairly long line ex-RTE producers who think they could do it in the independent sphere (as PDs) and get found out fast.

    Caimin Jones in Clare FM and Dan Collins in Radio Kerry being the spectacular exceptions. Both were also skilled broadcasters in their own right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Many of these would have been known at the time

    Not sure about the rest but: -

    Bill Hughes - RTÉ producer

    Gavin Duffy - LMFM

    Eamon Dunphy - Football pundit and Journalist

    Donal Dineen - NO DISCO


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Always thought it funny that they took the name Today FM considering 2FM, I am sure Ian Dempsey was heard to say 2FM at times by mistake.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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    Was there a guy called John Houston on it in the early days?



  • Registered Users Posts: 897 ✭✭✭NyOmnishambles


    In the run up to Ian starting they ran a good promo with Ian being coached to say Two - DAY - FM repeatedly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,357 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Irish begrudgery alive and well I see.

    But considering McColgan and Doherty are now worth well north of €100 million, they could set fire to a whole heap of it and still retain more wealth than you'll ever see in your lifetime.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    😏 come on that's not begrudgery if it was Radio Ireland would largely have the same service that it had back in 1997, they realized that if they were to continue they'd loose money hand over fist. It was a major move for Ian Dempsey and it may not have worked out, AFAIK Today FM programming outside The Last Word and The Ian Dempsey Breakfast Show struggled along until the arrive of Ray D'Arcy.

    Note that The Last Word is the only remaining part of Radio Ireland. It is a legitimate criticism of the station when it first began.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    What an odd remark! It’s no secret that Radio Ireland was a commercial disaster, and whatever about the financial well-being of John McColgan and Moyà Doherty it’s probably safe to say that the initial Radio Ireland didn’t exactly add to that cash pile.



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    Yes and a couple of years after Darcy joined, Tony Fenton was signed to boost their afternoon schedule, it basically became 2fm for grown-ups, that is the people who listened to 2fm in the 90s moved to listening to Today FM in the 00s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭Expunge


    Do you remember the original Radio Ireland, Larbre?

    Any views on it?

    If producing Riverdance the show was their greatest achievement, where does Radio Ireland rank for them?

    Funny they couldn't unearth the radio equivalents of Bill Whelan, Michael Flatley, Jean Butler and Mavis Ascot.

    Maybe they were lucky to have been the producers of Riverdance or maybe they were visionaries. I don't think they were radio visionaries, though.

    If you think that's begrudging, well I dunno what to tell ya.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    Classic Hits (4FM) are clearly aiming for a similar formula today - given that their current schedule is heavily laced with 2FM '90's - 00's era presenters. They even have ex Today FM stalwart Phil Cawley in the ranks now. 1990's - early '00's 2FM was a pretty unique time, they had little to no competition and many of their presenters became household names with big audiences... neither Today FM nor particularly 2FM really cater for that audience anymore.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    I just remembered another interesting fact about old Today FM, When Eamon Dunphy quit the last word, Willie O'Reilly tried to sign Charlie Bird to take over the show. Charlie Bird wrote about this in his autobiography that was published back in the mid 00s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It is something that Radio stations have to be aware of 4FM was aimed at the over 55s when it began in 2009 the audience would have been teens of the 50s and 60s and 70s, 10 years on and we are all getting older, though I think 4FM has potentially got younger and is aim at the over 35s now.

    I though 4fm line up was quite good, but I think the musical interludes during news programmes kind of stifled them.

    I think 4fm is a better name than Classic Hits.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    I preferred their original format too but it was a very expensive set up and they launched at a really terrible time, just after the banking crash so it was never going to end well.



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    Incidentally, I heard some of Ray Foley the other day for the first time since he returned and I was amazed that he is basically back doing the same show that he was doing in 2006, Jingles, beds and all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    Does anyone remember when Today FM used to call their hourly news "news and "information" for Ireland"



  • Registered Users Posts: 838 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    It was called Century before that. The set up of it was corrupt - Ray Burke and all that. Fortunately, the entirely non-corrupt Denis O'Brien then took it over (lol).

    While there probably was a need for a non-RTE alternative that was duly licensed etc, the whole Century brand is for me tainted by Burke's association.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Radio Ireland/Today FM and Century weren't connected at all. Communicorp only took over in 2007 when they bought EMAP's radio operations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    That's right. Not for the first time, people are confusing Century Radio with Radio Ireland. As you can see, this was already covered earlier in this very thread! Radio Ireland/Today FM changed ownership a few times before Communicorp came on board, and of course is now owned by Bauer Media. This means that the Denis O'Brien era has come to an end as well. In fairness, it is an easy enough mistake to make, i.e. confusing Century with Radio Ireland, especially as the latter went on to rename itself Today FM.



  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭Master Anorak


    About a year or two ago, I heard an ex Radio Ireland presenter (Seamus Duke) interviewed on a local station and he was getting Century and Radio Ireland mixed up too, so if someone who actually worked there gets mixed up what hope has the general public 😄😄😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    For the benefit of confused presenters (!):

    Century Radio (or variations of the name with Century): September 1989 - November 1991

    Radio Ireland/Today FM: (1) Radio Ireland - March 17th 1997 - early January 1998, (2) Today FM - January 1998 - present



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