Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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Give them space and time.

Wtf there are multiple offences in that one clip..

It was absolutely necessary to alert the driver to a situation they were oblivious to, and also in the hope that they would be more aware in the future.

So what you're effectively saying is that cyclists should cede their right of way when travelling straight on to every car turning left? What if they eased off and the following car was also turning left? Should they let that one turn too?

As someone said above turning left is no different to turning right, you check that your way is clear. That driver would have failed their driving test for that, it's a basic part of the rules of the road.

What makes that incident worse for me is the fact there is a segregated cycle lane, which should make the driver even more conscious of checking for a cyclist. It's just completely blinkered driving, not a clue of what's happening around them, that's the issue here, nothing to do with the cyclist.

And why cyclists that are behind a car that is turning left should slow and not overtake on the left in case car hasn't seen them!

You still seem intent on sharing the blame here

Taking care with cyclists If you are at a junction where there is an advanced stop line for cyclists, you should allow cyclists to move off ahead of you. When turning left, all drivers, especially drivers of heavy goods vehicles, must watch out for cyclists and motorcyclists going ahead or turning. 53 Údarás Um Shábháilteacht Ar Bhóithre Road Safety Authority 54 Údarás Um Shábháilteacht Ar Bhóithre Road Safety Authority On left turns, watch out for cyclists and mopeds close to the kerb in front of you or coming up on your left. Do not overtake a cyclist as you approach a junction if you are turning left, as the cyclist might be continuing straight ahead.

Note the use of the word 'must', not 'reasonable expectation' nonsense.

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I’m all for making sure we have the right protections on the road and that drivers are made aware of the rules of the road, but eh, I’ll pass on being run over or colliding into the side of a car because I wanted to assert my right.

You know, that was the exact analogy I was thinking of. It would be silly to drive into them just to prove your point, but at the same time you wouldn't be long letting them know that they're being an idiot.

There is a shared blame / responsibility here though - see below for the relevant SI (whether you consider "reasonable expectation" to be nonsense or not, it remains the law)

S.I. No. 332/2012 - Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2012.

(b) A pedal cyclist may overtake on the left where vehicles to the pedal cyclist’s right are stationary or are moving more slowly than the overtaking pedal cycle, except where the vehicle to be overtaken—

(i) has signalled an intention to turn to the left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle in which the driver has signalled an intention to turn to the left will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle,

There's an onus on the driver to check before turning and an equal onus on the cyclist to not overtake on the left in the situation outlined above. Both were at fault here and both should have been more aware of their surroundings

The movement to the left is not the turn, it is moving closer to the kerb in advance of it. Therefore it is completely irrelevant in this case, as there was a cycle lane.

The 'reasonable expectation' was changed from 'will' at some stage, but it doesn't specify who is actually supposed to have it? At the end of the day the only person who can have a reasonable expectation of what a car is going to do is the person driving it.

The movement to the left is not the turn, it is moving closer to the kerb in advance of it

Oh right. Any sort of link to where this approach to turning is detailed?

Correct on the signal... But it is mirror, signal. Mirror for a reason..

It is as you say crap x 2, but crap cycling is unlikely to kill or seriously injure other people wheras a motorist can.

The UK have it right by establishing a hierarchy of road user and responsibility. I am quite tired of no indication before left or right turn, and increasing prevalence of left hook or attempted left hooks.

Fair enough although I'd say you'd want something more official if you were attempting to argue that the SI doesn't apply to the situation in the OP because there was no "movement to the left" before the turn. Good luck with it

The SI is impossible to prove in any case, which is why i think it's nonsense.

Really? Do you think that argument would work in the event of a failed driving test?

No they wouldn't, if they were applying the law correctly (which in fairness is a law unto itself here), they would prosecute the driver for not driving with due care and attention