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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Whatever about the Kherson offensive not being a success they have so far liberated 500km square of heavily defended frontlines. There's only so much west of Kherson they can lose before the Ukrainians could enter the city. And those only going to be one winner there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    A Ukrainian collaborator in Kherson is in hospital in critical condition after being targeted by partisans, her bodyguard is dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Surrender cards ...

    They are fairly quick with the psychological warfare.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    It's a logical progression of the tactical situation. Consider the parameters.

    • Trapped North of the Dnieper river
    • Outgunned, constant UAF attacks
    • No resupply route - running out of ammo and food. Bridges down.
    • Low morale
    • Awful leadership
    • Eastern front collapsing

    It's a bit like Hemingway's old gag about 'how did you go bankrupt?' ('Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.')

    The Russian position has been falling apart gradually. Now it's happening suddenly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Just another version of the palaver shipped out by the Kremlin logicians - that they were obliged to invade Ukraine to stop the creep of NATO. Rubbish and they know it, Ukraine was not about to join NATO and neither were Finland & Sweden. Tired logic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And perhaps when they use their phones to scan them - munitions will fall from the sky.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    The Ukrainian military claimed on Monday that it had retaken more territory in the south and was reiterating calls for Russian units fighting west of the Dnipro River in the Kherson region to surrender.

    As Ukraine makes advances in the northeast of the country, its military has been carrying out another campaign in the south. There, thousands of Russian soldiers west of the Dnipro River appear to be increasingly isolated as Ukrainian attacks erode Russian defenses and shell bridges over the river, cutting the Russians off from resupply.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/12/world/ukraine-russia-war

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,730 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    That original story was from what looked like a fringe-y site, but others are picking it up now, too. This lad on twitter has been vouched for on this thread (I think) earlier:




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,515 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Their position in Kherson is clearly toast, I think it's a matter of time until they're forced out. What I don't buy for a second is that they are negotiating a surrender.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    It’s a pity Ukraine sacrificed so many of its men in the battle for Donbass months back.

    Maybe it bought them a bit of time but still sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,515 ✭✭✭zv2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    as opposed to what? what other option did Ukraine have but to keep fighting for the Donbas?

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭thomil


    The battle for Donbas was also critical for grinding down Russian reserves. That's one of the reasons why Russia had to pull units out of Kharkiv when the Kherson offensive began, they simply didn't have enough units in reserve that they could throw into that fight.

    And while the battle was equally bloody for Ukraine, Ukraine had, and still has, an ongoing recruitment and training program for new soldiers, as well as a steady stream of western equipment to bolster their own inventory, allowing Ukraine to refill their ranks probably just as quickly as Russia, if not more so. The main differentiator being that Ukrainian recruits are benefitting from the military reforms Ukraine undertook post 2014, meaning that they'll likely have better tactical and technical training when they hit the field. I don't think I'll have to mention the differences in morale and motivation.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,029 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    I don’t know if there’s any basis for the rumours of surrender, but the claims would certainly sow doubt in the minds of Orcs. You’d hate to leave it too late to surrender if the guys around you were thinking of doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout



    I wonder if the siloviki could manage to depose him and keep control of power. I presume they could but it would be very interesting to see who they would replace him with. Medvedev has been auditioning for the part - I think he realised that the perception of him was that he was too enamoured with the West so he's been trying to outdo the crazies with anti-Western rants online.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,599 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    They might not have a choice. Ukrainians captured a fair few TOR systems. If they dont surrender.....

    Post edited by TheValeyard on

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I don't see much evidence of this on Telegram. Quite a bit of talk about hanging the general involved in the Kharkiv debacle, but remarkably little criticism of Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Now is the most dangerous time since the invasion begun.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The usual bollocks from their rabble rousers. Note how they go on about the New World Order too. I'm surprised they didn't chuck in the WEF and the Soros/Rothschilds/Jews on top. Russian propaganda and the more simple minded Russians on the ground are big into this kinda conspiracy stuff. As I've noticed so are many of their western supporters.

    This "we're fighting NATO on the ground" is their latest coping mechanism. "If we were just fighting Ukrainian nazis this would be all be over and the mighty forces of Mother Russia would have already prevailed". The joke is if they believe that a couple of thousand actual NATO combatants are on the ground in Ukraine and this not the many many thousands of Ukrainians is what's fúcking them up, that makes them look even more lacklustre.

    Now clearly NATO forces are helping them with intel, or I'd be gobsmacked if they weren't and they've gotten dribs and drabs of weapons and out of country training(which has yet to really be in play AFAIK) but it's down to Ukrainians and the foreign types going under their own steam. Tha said I would not be too shocked to find out later that there aren't small and deniable groups of US/UK/etc special forces in country. Older "officially retired" Seals, SAS and so on.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,515 ✭✭✭zv2


    There's only one way for Russian morale now, and it's not uphill...

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭hometruths_real


    Like Russia with Wagner group... plausible deniability...

    play them at their own game and they want to go home with the ball... pathetic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    The chatter is becoming louder.

    I'm just sniffing the air - I think Putin's goose is cooked.

    A furtive glance from one comrade to another, answered by a nod, and that's it.

    It will probably be his own security that get tasked to deal with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I see very little evidence of anti-war feeling in the military channels. If anything, they think that Putin is not taking aggressive enough measures. They want full mobilization, they want tactical nukes, they want increased filtration of Ukrainians in occupied territories, they want Ukrainian infrastructure destroyed. These people are completely brainwashed by the propaganda, it's madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,763 ✭✭✭weisses


    Not so sure toppling Putin will get the desired effect .... be careful what you wish for.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    meaning that they'll likely have better tactical and technical training when they hit the field.

    That'll be the biggie. Russia is still running the old Soviet style military, where orders are top down and the men at the pointy end just follow them for the most part. Individual action when opportunities arise is frowned upon, or not promoted. Unlike in Western militaries.

    I was watching a vid recently about an airliner crash in the Black sea and one thing jumped out at me: in Western airline culture and law the captain of the flight is most in charge, the guy who makes the ultimate call for the most part, in Russian/Soviet airline culture, the ground controller has far more say and can order the captain in a different direction. That's a very different mindset. Remember the time when the Soviets shot down the Korean 007 747. Well the Soviet fighter pilot who shot them down was almost entirely controlled from the ground. In interviews he was asked did he not see it was an airliner. He replied he had doubts, bu when asked did he relay those doubts to the ground his answer was along the lines of no, they didn't need to know. He was following orders in essence. A meat robot in the cockpit being controlled remotely.

    I suppose part of that culture was they didn't want independent thinkers in charge in the military. All autocrats fear the miliary, because they're the guys who can take them out. All revolutions require the backing, or at least the neutrality of the military or they'll fail. When Stalin got in his biggest purges were among the officer class. To the degree that when Hitler invaded he had few good men left. One, Zhukov made a huge difference and won many battles for them. A hero of the Soviet Union. And popular. So when it was all over and medals were handed out what does Stalin do? Well he could't kill him as he was way too popular, but he was also way too dangerous to keep around, so he invents some trumped up charges and sidelines him to the provinces behind a desk. And we wonder why the Russians have lacklustre generals today? They're either loyal mates of Vlad or too useless to worry about.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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