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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    The only advantage Russians have ever had is their ability to suffer. They have raw materials but you'd be surprised how in only a matter of years that hand could be taken away from them. Europe can pivot, sure it will be painful but they will develop other solution,sources of energy, trading partners



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Russians now using cruise missiles against power stations in Ukraine. They know they are going to lose, so they’re destroying what is left in a cruel and pernicious act.


    My fear has always been what he might do now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    There stated goal is 1991 border. This can only be achieved by invading Russia in my opinion. Why would Russia give up territory gained in Ukraine without the jeopardy of risking their own territory?


    Edit: and what will stop them from trying again in 10 or 20 years, if they don't have something to fear?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭DontHitTheDitch


    Putin took the humiliation of having to retreat from Kyiv without nukes or chemical weapons coming in to play. In terms of a propaganda-friendly way out, they have already brainwashed a large proportion of the population into thinking they were there to hunt down Nazis. You can always claim victory if the enemy never existed in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al




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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Look at it from any angle you want. The key difference is that (and this came as a surprise to Mad Vlad too, so you are in “good” company) is that the Ukrainians will take the help and use it. They already have, SPECTACULARLY!!!

    You are pinning your hopes on the dirt Russia extracts from the ground (and that’s going to get tough once it needs repairs) is going to be needed by the West. Big mistake. In fact, HUGE!



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Strangely enough, for a person that holds that view to also say NATO should attack Russia.

    Something whiffs.👃



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "So the question is what does a long lasting peaceful resolution look like?"

    This was outlined well enough earlier today - Russia withdraws all troops back across the internationally recognised borders between Ukraine & Russia prior to Feb 2022. That Crimea is a bargaining chip, Russia to keep on the basis of agreeing substantive reparation costs, the extradition of war criminals and a solid internationally backed treaty that will respect these borders and the autonomy of the Ukrainian state.

    The alternative may be the restoration of Crimea to Ukraine and the complete defeat of Russian ambitions in Ukraine. Long term punitive sanctions to punish Russia, whilst the West largely picks up reconstruction costs and using seized Russian assets to help finance this.

    Major loss of face for Russian interests but they have been heading down a losing path one way or the other, since the early days of this war. It was ill thought out and over ambitious and there's a price to pay.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Scorched Earth? They do not have the resources - all they have is an amateur plastic military and bully-boy threats and delusions.

    It's time to realise the Russians have thrown everything at this and failed.

    There's no Russian cavalry in the wings ready to save the day. The end.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,281 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Crimea needs to be de-militarized apart from the naval base if retained by Russia.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    It's a ridiculous notion. It's a city of nearly 400k people. Can you imagine the size of the force Ukraine would need to take and hold it.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    Excellent piece by Anne Appelbaum in The Atlantic on the implications of Ukrainian victory. Well worth a read.


    when Russian elites finally realize that Putin’s imperial project was not just a failure for Putin personally but also a moral, political, and economic disaster for the entire country, themselves included, then his claim to be the legitimate ruler of Russia melts away. When I write that Americans and Europeans need to prepare for a Ukrainian victory, this is what I mean: We must expect that a Ukrainian victory, and certainly a victory in Ukraine’s understanding of the term, also brings about the end of Putin’s regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Are you now saying Zaporizhzhia is in Russia because that's the only place i said NATO should be moving in to remove the Russians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,606 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Will be an interesting week ahead. So much has changed with this new phase of war.

    Firmly believe the events of the past six days will go down in military history.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You’ve said NATO should directly attack Russian troops, I can’t remember exactly what lunacy you were spouting… and yet you’re apparently worried Russia will retaliate with a WMD. 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    I think, as the scale of the Ukrainian breakthrough becomes clear, that the truly momentous events will occur in Moscow and our focus will switch from the military realm to the political.

    This could happen shockingly fast. Dictatorships can appear monolithic from a distance but in reality can be fragile edifices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    With the loss of Izyum and Kupyansk railway junctions, the Red Army will have trouble supplying its forces in Donbas.


    A complete collapse of their forces looks more likely than full control of Donbas.


    Will Republics in Russia see this as an opportunity to throw off the yoke of Moscow and if they do will there be an force able to stop them.


    The war is significant, obviously, for Ukraine but the longest term historical damage might be to Western Europe and fatally to Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,222 ✭✭✭✭briany


    What's the story with Kherson, now, I wonder? Ukraine appears to be saying that the southern offensive was a feint to draw Russian forces from the north-east. If that's true, what will the forces in the south do now? Will they pack up and go north to try and hold the territory gained, or will they try to take advantage of the relatively limited gains made in the south. Ukrainian forces look like they're inching closer to Kherson, but it sounds like it's been a punishing slog and costly in terms of men and equipment, so it makes me wonder where they'll decide to go with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The republics depend on scraps from the table from Moscow, without much employment or wealth opportunities they are still viable recruiting grounds. Not so the large population centers in Russia who have better opportunities, who are likely to more resistant to "the draft". Even the men with fake military documents (bribe to avoid mandatory conscription) are now getting caught. They can grind away for a while yet unless there is significant backlash against the administration in the coming months.



    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Plans will already to afoot to remove the botox dwarf fronted by the oligarchs. Hopefully he's not allowed do something crazy before then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Raoul Duke III


    They have a large Russian force pinned against the Dnieper and can grind them down at their leisure.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Attacking Russian troops even in Ukraine is attacking Russia. It is grammatically correct. Back to FSB English training for you as your English has been found wanting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    And, considering the usual rhetoric, Soloviev isn't taking rhe beating well and, looking for someone to blame, is taking punishment to a predictable level.


    Post edited by Call me Al on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,288 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Do these Moscow morons not read history books? Even just their own history books FFS. Attacking civillians never works. It only strengthens the resolve of the defenders and the man and woman on the street to support them. All it achieves is to create an enemy and combatant on every corner.

    Look at the British under the Blitz. It brought them together in hatred of Germany and made them stronger.

    Consider nazi Germany. They faced 1000 bomber raids thrumming overhead for mile after mile pummeling the ever living hell out the cities time and time again. Reducing the people below to twisted ash in the rubble of their homes. Tens of thousands in one night at times. And German war production and resistance went up.

    And the Russians well know, or they would if they asked those few heroes left that they claim to idolise so much, that they still had to fight street by street, doorway by bloody doorway to finally take Berlin. Did the nazi's scorched earth policy against the Russian people work? Like fúck it did.

    Even the Japanese wanted to fight on after the first atomic bomb obliterated Hiroshima and vapourised over 150,000 men women and children in one horrific second.

    The Americans saw this in Vietnam too. Carpet bombing people from B52's at 30,000 feet and they still lost. They're not in Iraq, or Afghanistan anymore either.

    This is a pathetic and petty response to their utter failure over the last few days that the world has seen all too clearly.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Chinese whospers claims Zaporizhzhia is in Russia

    Could this poster be a careful placed putinbot 😕



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Who are you talking to, everyone here knows the score with you.

    You’re fooling nobody.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,648 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    A lot of people are absolutely livid over the attack on the Ukrainian power grid, seeing it as a mean and spiteful act by Putin and not even connected to Russia's war effort.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,268 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I wonder will Putin end the special operation soon due to the losses and declare war on Ukraine.



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