F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

donspeekinglesh · 09-09-2022 10:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119589544#Comment_119589544

I have the same one somewhere. can't remember exactly when I bought it, but it is (just about) visible on the TV coverage of the 2004 Hungarian GP.

recyclebin · 09-09-2022 12:43PM

We could end up with 7 engine manufacturers if all the rumours are to be believed:

Ferrari

Mercedes

Renault

Honda

Red Bull

Audi

Porsche.

It would make sense for Honda and Red Bull to continue collaborating in 2026. Same for Audi and Porsche, although VAG may have sold off Porsche by 2026.

El_Duderino 09 · 09-09-2022 04:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119595315#Comment_119595315

I don't think anyone has suggested Audi will build engines. They were going to buy some team and use Porsche engines. Porsche pulling out doesn't mean Audi will build engines.

Doubtful that both Porsche and Audi would build engines even if they were both involved in the sport.

flazio · 09-09-2022 04:29PM

Really? I thought Audi were coming in to build power trains.

bennyx_o · 09-09-2022 04:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119596418#Comment_119596418

They are. The first line of this article confirms this

dulpit · 09-09-2022 05:20PM

Audi are using a Porsche built engine as the starting point, but they will be proper manufacturers. I'm less interested in the number of manufacturers though and more interested in the number of teams. Really could do with 1 or 2 more... With the cost cap though, it just means less profit for the existing 10 to admit any more, so a hard sell for them...

El_Duderino 09 · 10-09-2022 08:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119596427#Comment_119596427

Yeah fair enough. I thought they were going to buy and own a team and use Porsche engines. Thanks for the link.

Good podcast by The-Race explaining the porsche deal collapse

[The Race F1 Podcast] Why Porsche has called off F1 move...for now #theRaceF1Podcast

https://podcastaddict.com/episode/144956298 via @PodcastAddict

dulpit · 10-09-2022 09:33AM

The race podcast is usually excellent alright...

AMKC · 10-09-2022 10:35AM

Dam Sky anyway. I thought with the Queens death and all sports being called off they might just show this weekends F1 live on Sky Showcase seen as there is no sports on and what a great time to get more people into it but no what do they have instead more just filler on 😞 .

dulpit · 11-09-2022 08:33AM

Alpine are deluded at this stage in not seeing their flaws with the Piastri negotiations...

https://the-race.com/formula-1/alpine-piastri-wrong-to-snub-williams-doesnt-share-values/

McFly85 · 11-09-2022 11:11AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119602274#Comment_119602274

Kind of deluded as to where Alpine are too.

He referenced Max, Charles and George as people who did it “the right way” by doing a developmental year or two at a lower team, but all of them knew they were looking at a top tier seat after it.

Piastri was told to drive at arguably the slowest team before going to a mid team, or go to a mid team now. It’s fairly different.

quokula · 12-09-2022 02:00PM

It seems there were complications with Albon’s appendix surgery and he even ended up in intensive car for a night. Recovering now, I hope he’s given plenty of time to recover fully while Devries can keep his seat warm. And hope to see the two of them as teammates when Latifi gets the boot.

Burkie1203 · 12-09-2022 02:04PM

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Burkie1203 · 12-09-2022 02:07PM

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/1569325067951120390?t=oxIj8970TzR8Lk1UpO517Q&s=19

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Faugheen · 12-09-2022 02:09PM

Jesus!

Must have been really bad if he needed ICU treatment. Glad to hear he’s well on the mend though.

Busi_Girl08 · 12-09-2022 03:12PM

That Williams statement scared the crap out of me for a second.

flazio · 12-09-2022 03:22PM

I wonder if Covid was a factor? Anyway hope he's on the mend for Singapore, basically his home race.

I touched on this in the race thread but I wonder if Williams could consider seeing out the rest of the season with Albon and De Vries? Basically shelving Latifi straight away. Catching Aston Martin might be a tall order but De Vries and Albon would be their best shot surely?

El_Duderino 09 · 12-09-2022 03:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608421#Comment_119608421

They'd have to do without Lattifi's money and that money is probably already spent. The legal wrangling wouldn't be worth it either. His sponsors would want their pound of flesh and it would take ages to sort out which would likely create cash flow problems in the meantime.

There's no advantage to it anyway. They're on 6 points which is 19 points behind AM. They're not going to outscore AM by 19 points between now and the end of the season. So they'd almost certainly finish 10th even of they dump Latifi now and forego his sponsorship money.

PsychoPete · 12-09-2022 03:35PM

https://twitter.com/AstonMartinF1/status/1569310522155192320?t=A39e623K2-T1lOT0IuN5kw&s=19

Not sure if Aston is the best move for Drugovich

AMKC · 12-09-2022 04:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608489#Comment_119608489

MAybe not but Aston Martin are obviously looking long term and for that thrg need a driver development programme just like Red Bull and Ferrari have.

So it's a start.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-09-2022 05:25PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608875#Comment_119608875

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me. If they want to make Lance a champion. Then they need a driver who is less good than him. So they need a car that's so dominant it can compensate for Stroll being crap, and his teammate needs to be even more crap. So why do they need a driver programme for that? They could just buy a driver to partner Lance. That kindnof driver won't be in big demand.

Lance might not be their long term plan after all.

PsychoPete · 12-09-2022 06:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119608875#Comment_119608875

Drugovich doesn't really need much development, he's been in F2 for 3 years. He's won the championship this year and currently 77 points going into the last race weekend. He's going to be waiting at least two years to get a seat at Aston Martin. He probably would have been better off going with Alpha Tauri, Williams or Haas where he'd have a better chance of getting a seat

AMKC · 12-09-2022 07:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609205#Comment_119609205

Yes does not sound like his best move alright.

Be interesting to see what happens and where he does end up.

skipper_G · 12-09-2022 08:03PM

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Alpha Tauri as in the Red Bull junior team, that's for Red Bull junior drivers. Safe to assume that Red Bull don't want him or he would have signed with them surely.

Williams and Haas need the kind of money he doesn't have, so it's a no brainer for Drugovich. He gets a paid gig for a couple of years as test and reserve driver and a chance for a seat after that. If he doesn't make it to F1 he should still be able to forge some kind of a professional career out of the arrangement. Smart move by him I reckon

PsychoPete · 12-09-2022 08:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609669#Comment_119609669

He has plenty of financial backing from family money. He's going to be hanging around Aston Martin till Alonso decides to leave which will probably be two years time. He's ready for an F1 seat, I think there was better options of him out there

skipper_G · 12-09-2022 10:08PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609785#Comment_119609785

I think you're seriously overestimating how much money he has behind him. The family run an auto parts company that operates in the Brasilian market. Best estimates I've found suggest annual revenue (not profit) of 25 to 35 million dollars. They have backed him to get as far as F2, but there's no way they can afford the many millions required to buy an F1 seat. He is not coming with Latifi/Mazepin levels of funding.

McFly85 · 12-09-2022 10:13PM

You have to wonder what Latifi is getting out of this. Sure, he gets to drive in F1, but he’s comfortably the worst driver on the grid. Hes not going to be anything more than the slowest driver in the slowest team. Why bother continuing?

Killinator · 12-09-2022 11:02PM

Probably the fact that he can drive an F1 car, something only a percentage of a percentage of a percentage of the world population will ever get to do.

He'll never win anything but he can always say he drove in the pinnacle of motorsports, something even a lot of great racing drivers will never do.

Frank Bullitt · 13-09-2022 04:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119609006#Comment_119609006

I don’t think Lance was ever the long term plan. They’ve had Vettel and now will have Alonso, both would be “No.1” drivers, when Vettel left, if Lance was the “future” then singing Alonso goes directly against that.

He is only there because he father owns Aston, that’s all.

Munstersrebel · 13-09-2022 05:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119610543#Comment_119610543

Lance is the #1 driver in so far he gets preferential treatment on new equipment. and yes in any other team young Stroll would be out of the car. But when your daddy's syndicate owns the team.... normal rules dont apply

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