Queen Elizabeth II dies

The actual monarch doesn't yield that power to do as they please whilst on the throne. They do as they are expected and advised by the state. The monarch is juts the figurehead. A person occupying the throne/crown. They are NOT the crown. Yes, they can have a say and influence, but it's not all powerful. So, Charles and those after him will simply toe the line.

Did you mean the one where a lad is holding a sign with ’No foreign games’ as he was wearing a football shirt?

Good for you. Use that rage. Good lad.

Just thinking this morning how much a part of peoples lives (even in this country) that Queen Elizabeth was even with our conflicting emotions about her. My late grand aunt was forced to emigrate to England in the 1920's when my grandfather brought his new wife into the home place. She ended up running and eventually as landlady of a pub in the Liverpool docks from which she made a considerable fortune, which helped sustain my mother and her siblings during the really lean times of the 1940's and into the 50's in the West of Ireland.

During her visits home (in a chaueffer driven Daimler) my grand aunt and her daughter brought colour articles and publications about the young princesses Elizabeth and Margaret which my mother and her sister devoured enthusatically in an an Ireland pretty devoid of colour or glamour at the time. Accordingly my mother had great affection and respect for the late Queen and I respect that

I think her 2011 visit here did a great deal to rehabilitate her image and affection in the eyes of a great many Irish people, myself included.

So as a mother, grandmother and great grandmother of not only a family but a grieving nation I say may she RIP. Ní fheicfimid A leithéid arís

Shes not a tourist attraction, and when she was alive she wasnt one either because then you could have bought a ticket to see her.

The royal assets are tourist attractions, and royal family or not they would still be tourist attractions in the same way that bunratty, versailles, sintra, krakow, st.petersburg to name a few are now tourist attractions.

This often used argument that the english royal family are a tourist attraction in their own right just doesnt stack up as justification for the millions in tax money they take from the ordinary person

They might may be 'consulted' but that may be more of a courtesy than anything else. The Queen never failed to give consent to any proposed legislation when it was requested by parliament.

True, though I think the reasons people get pissy in Ireland about the English monarchy (or rather, the gushing deference to it in British and global media) are understandable.

This is entirely my own take but from what I've seen, the monarchy and more specifically the Queen herself (being the monarch who, more or less, was there from the moment that British power began to rapidly decline) provided a kind of symbolic crutch for the idea of British strength — the pageantry and history a living link to a more glorious imperial past and the particular global fascination with the English monarchy a reinforcement of British exceptionalism. It made people feel like glorious old England was still a reality in a world where its power had become second rate and the country had transformed immeasurably in the 20th century.

I think a lot of Irish people also see that link to the past in the monarchy, only quite naturally that past is viewed with greater distaste. The concepts of nobility, title, divine right and supremacy — these are all terms which underlined the subjugation of Ireland and the Irish people in history. So yeah, I think it's understandable that Irish people get irritated by the fawning and gushing and romanticism attached to what the Crown represents.

I'm not ignorant to the fact though that Elizabeth herself also did become a kind of symbolic granny of the nation in times of huge change, so there is that too.

What's seldom is wonderful 😂

A great man for thinking outside the parallelogram.

I did live there for a number of years but again you are not understanding me.

This has nothing to do with Britain read the post I commented. I was making the point that I don't just dislike the British monarchy and not give a sht about the rest.

I am against all monarchy and am fully aware that some nations are happy with their monarchies but that doesn't change my personal stance.