Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Oh goodness, better stop search warrants for everybody in case they are stigmatised!

OR

If you don't want the stigma of an FBI search of your home, make sure that you only have stuff that actually belongs to you, in it.

Yes. Any delay will give him more time [weeks, maybe a month or two] to lie and further mislead the public. The GOP party, as it presently exists, does not seem to have any respect for the office of the presidency and it's continued linking by them to Trump. They will use him as a weapon against the Democrats.

The judge made it clear in her ruling, by mention of bias and leaks to the media, that she sees the DOJ as biased when it comes to Trump and its investigation into him. Her agreeing with Trump's request for a special master has called the DOJ examination of the documents to a halt. It hadn't finished the examination yet. It had actually told the judge that some of the documents it had checked were tax and dental records belonging to Trump.

Maybe the photos taken by the FBI of documents on trump's office floor.

To please the person who appointed her - Donald Trump.

Another warning to those who have taken an oath of office and may face charges from the insurrection attempt on the 06 Jan 2021, a Cowboys for Trump co-founder has been barred from holding public office [Senator or Representative or Elector] under the 14th amendment. This followed from a federal appeal court ruling in May that the amendments bar on insurrectionists applies to current and future political candidates.

In March, a lower federal court ruled that an 1872 amnesty act applied to Rep Cawley in his argument that it gave pre-emptive forgiveness to those who engage in insurrection against the US going forward and granted an injunction blocking any action against Cawley. The amnesty act was introduced to forgive those who fought for the confederacy in the civil war.

However, the Appeals Court interpreted the 1872 Amnesty Act differently, reading it as speaking only of amnesty for crimes that were in the past at its signing, not for future ones, among other faults it finds with the [other courts] ruling. Because the district court’s ruling was based solely on its view of the 1872 Amnesty Act, we reverse its decision and vacate the permanent injunction.

A New Mexico judge on Tuesday ordered the co-founder of Cowboys for Trump removed from public office over his presence at the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 riot. State District Court Judge Francis Mathew removed Otero County Commissioner Couy Griffin from his elected position “effective immediately” and banned him from seeking further public office, citing the 14th Amendment’s clause barring those who have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution from holding federal or state office if they have engaged “in insurrection or rebellion.”

The New Mexico court is a state district court, not a federal court, so no chance of a presidential pardon coming the way of Couy Griffin. It also makes plain that the appeals court ruling covers both federal and state court decisions in cases taken in the future.

This New Mexico court decision was reported on by Kyle Cheney, the senior legal affairs reporter with Politico with [as the byline says] with a focus on 1/6 aftermath.

The ripple effect of Trump being so careless with the documents he took from the White House to Mar-A-Lago may include countries friendly to the US declining to share information so freely with it if the GOP allow Trump run for office as its candidate again. Its probable that messages to that effect have been sent by friendly Govts to those they see as sensible GOP politicians or members of the extended Trump family.

Re the next election, the Democrats are already getting into the game with at least two different Democrat Ads 0n facebook aimed at US voters abroad in Ireland to get registered to vote in Nov's election. One group [Democrats Abroad Ireland] is listing universal background checks and bans on assault rifles and high-capacity magazines. The other Ad by another group is aimed at women and the importance of healthcare and abortion for them. I assume that the GOP will also be running Ads for those abroad though what the content will be I won't comment or guess at.

Breaking news on the New Civil Rights Movement F/B page and on other media sources, The DOJ has filed an appeal against Judge Cannons "Special Master" ruling in the favour of Don Trump.

i dont get why anyone would question the appointment of this this special master. keeps everything above board.

i think more than half the senate dems voted to appoint the judge in question

I think the problem lies with the judge ruling that both sides had until tomorrow to agree on whom the master was to be and what ground rules the master would work under AND for both sides to tell her of their agreement, subject to her approval of their deal. If they couldn't reach a deal or if she didn't agree with the deal she would choose and appoint the master herself.

As for the documents the FBI took from Mar-A-Lago, they were a hodge-podge mix of documents, NOT separated Govt documents and private personal documents in completely identifiable folders which would have stopped any unnecessary examination of the personal documents. Who would mistakenly mix dozens of their personal and lawyer/client privileged documents together with classified govt documents in boxes at their home? Remember that Trump's lawyers had already checked the boxed documents in the storage room at Mar-A-Lago and sent a letter to the FBI there were no Govt documents there. Before anyone chooses to say the FBI behaved unlawfully where the documents found at Mar-A-Lago are concerned, remember the FBI handed over to Judge Cannon some Trump personal documents they found amongst the govt documents they found at Mar-A-Lago.

Before anyone makes the mistake of saying there's no proof classified Govt documents were ever at Mar-A-Lago, remember that Trump himself made it clear that he did take the classified Govt documents from the White House to Mar-A-Lago.

If an ex-president can take a random selection of government documents with him when he leaves office, how is the government supposed to access them when they are needed for the purpose they were intended? Should a previous president be able to arbitrarily deny a sitting or future president access to government records?

Are there hard copies of the documents? I gathered that the Govt did not know exactly what Trump had taken home with him after he left office, only that seemingly there were a lot of blank spaces in the secure rooms at the White House after he left office. If there are hard copies, then it would be simple: have lawyers from both sides go through what he has in Mar-A-Lago, give him his documents and shred the Govt ones in front of Judge Cannon. The Govt would be able to give NARA the hard copies of SAFE documents, keeping SECRET what should be SECRET.

I think the top secret compartmentalized documents are supposed to be hard copies that can't be moved out of secured storage.