FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Backstreet Moyes · 08-09-2022 01:25PM

I think the handling of the Ukrainian situation is the last straw for a lot of people.

I have noticed it among friends and family where people are really getting fed up and this is only the start, we are heading into winter with huge energy costs and inflation ahead.

People who go out and work hard are being given tips to reduce costs.

Ukrainians are being put up in hotels with meals provided and no worry about energy costs.

They are effectively been handed minimum 208 a week pocket money, where they will have more disposable income each week than the vast vast majority of Irish people who are working and struggling to get by.

How can any irish citizen vote for a government that is providing more for refugees than people who work and pensioners who have worked and will struggle to keep warm this winter.

jmcc · 08-09-2022 01:45PM

Some FFG supporters may be unaware that IBRC was an FG creation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Bank_Resolution_Corporation

Regards...jmcc

Cluedo Monopoly · 08-09-2022 01:58PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119589347#Comment_119589347

No I won't fall for it thanks. I know the drill. I will do more posts on Irish Water again but I think it's best you consume what we have already provided.

brokenangel · 08-09-2022 02:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119590076#Comment_119590076

So? are you trying to say if another party was in government they wouldn't have created an IBRC?

brokenangel · 08-09-2022 03:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119589902#Comment_119589902

Ahh yes we should forget about the war and the Ukraine people probably losing family members, getting ripped from their homes and dumped into another country as they have no alternative

Let's forget all of that because a few people want to moan and don't want to take tips on how to reduce costs?

In my area the Ukraine people are posting all around looking for work to keep themselves busy and add value to the community. I hear this is replicated across the country.

If people are getting fed up about the Ukraine people I would suggest they take a long hard look at themselves. Absolutely disgraceful some of the carry on from the Irish people in regards to the Ukraine people.

blanch152 · 08-09-2022 04:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119590076#Comment_119590076

So by creating the IBRC, FG are responsible for the private citizens that swindled it?? Such twisted logic.

jmcc · 08-09-2022 07:08PM

FFG will probably be breathing a sigh of relief that Siteserv has been knocked down the news cycle by the death of Queen Elizabeth. Still though, the link between FG and Denis O'Brien has been copperfastened by the Siteserv report. There may be an opinion poll on Sunday that should provide some indications and FG may take a hit on this.

Regards...jmcc

howiya · 08-09-2022 07:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119589351#Comment_119589351

Improvements in interest rates and the cost of living?

brokenangel · 08-09-2022 07:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119592020#Comment_119592020

Ahh yes more opinions polls. They are so reliable this far out from an election

Oh wait no they are not

Jarhead_Tendler · 08-09-2022 08:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119592020#Comment_119592020

I wonder will John Bruton or Leo be petitioning for a day of mourning in Ireland?

charlie14 · 08-09-2022 08:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119591047#Comment_119591047

We had the findings of the Moriarty Tribunal on O`Brien and Lowry on the issuing of a mobile telephone licence by Lowry a FG Minister. Findings as Taoiseach, Enda Kenny promised would not gather dust that have been gathering dust since undisturbed.

Next place he pops up is getting a sweet deal from IRBC, (another FG creation), with Siteserv and a nice juicy contract awarded under rather dubious circumstances.

Siteserv is now know as Octavo and has its snout deep in the FG National Broadband Plan trough.

But then just an uncanny set of coincidences, so move on folks nothing to see here. 😎

charlie14 · 08-09-2022 08:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119592454#Comment_119592454

Poor John. He must be in bits.

jmcc · 08-09-2022 09:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119592454#Comment_119592454

Wouldn't be surprising. There is a Unionist/Loyalist element in FG as was demonstated by himself and Charlie Flanagan wanting to commemorate the Black and Tans/RIC. Hopefully the more sensible FGers will not allow it to come to that.

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel · 08-09-2022 09:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119592800#Comment_119592800

You should have a read of this, maybe you might learn something

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51095369

jmcc · 08-09-2022 09:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119592829#Comment_119592829

You really haven't a clue about Ireland, its history, its culture and its politics. Flanagan and FG's Black and Tans/RIC commemoration was partially responsible for FG going from about 29% support in the opinion polls before Christmas 2019 to around 21% in the GE. A real FG leader would have immediately seen the problem with Flanagan's neo-Unionist brainfart and stopped it. Coveney, the grassroots FG choice, would not have made such a mess of the 2020 GE. You just don't understand how emotive an issue the Black and Tans/RIC is in Ireland. There were some FGers who were very angry at Flanagan's Black and Tans/RIC commemoration effort.

Regards...jmcc

charlie14 · 08-09-2022 09:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119592829#Comment_119592829

Maybe checking out who the two RIC reserve forces, the Auxillaries and the Black and Tans, actually were would be a better idea than spouting off defending FG nonsense and would be a more educational way to spend your time.

You could also check out the Dublin Metropolitan Police who were also to be "honoured" and their involvement in the 1913 lockout as well.

Shebean · 08-09-2022 09:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119590076#Comment_119590076

The wording was very peculiar. They went to great pains to make it seem like IBRC was independent and O'Brien, while benefiting from all of Siteserv's shady strokes, was beyond reproach. The tax payer is the big loser, but still, lessons alleged to have been learned.

brokenangel · 08-09-2022 09:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119592957#Comment_119592957

Every post "You really haven't a clue xyz" I personally don't feel the need to make personal comments on every post. Maybe you should give it a try

First off why are you dragging the death of the Queen and an event that never happened into the same conversation?

I referred to the link which is an excellent piece to give a view of people who wanted the RIC event. Of course some people went off on a tangent about the Black & Tans which was never part of the event

Plus as I have explained before, the event shows how a government should work, put forward options and if public says no then dont go ahead with it.

Unionists have nothing to do with it and the desperation of to try and link unionist to FG at every turn is tiresome.

The only ones still talking about the event are .............

P.S opinion polls two years away from an election are pointless and normally totally incorrect. 👍️

brokenangel · 08-09-2022 09:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119593063#Comment_119593063

The only nonsense I see around here is trying to drag the death of the Queen and an event which never took place into the same conversation. Totally ridiculous but to be expected.

jmcc · 08-09-2022 10:29PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119593085#Comment_119593085

If Ireland was a serious country, that deal would have been reversed.

Regards...jmcc

charlie14 · 08-09-2022 11:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119593104#Comment_119593104

You have already made a fool of yourself attempting to defend Flannagan and Bruton of FG honouring the Auxillaries, the Black and Tans and the Dublin Metropolitan Police by showing you did not have the faintest idea what you were talking about, so you can put down the shovel. Your deep enough.

brokenangel · 09-09-2022 06:06AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119593423#Comment_119593423

if you say so

Backstreet Moyes · 09-09-2022 06:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119590860#Comment_119590860

The major of Kiev has called for them to come home, the football season has started back, hotels are open, celebrities are going for visits, millions are leaving other countries to return home yet they keep coming here, why do you think that is?

It is because of our governments policy is to give them so much that it attracts welfare tourists and in fairness would you blame them, free accommodation, free meals, no expenses and pocket money a week that is a monthly wage in Ukraine.

All at the expensive of irish people who are suffering because of it.

It is unfair on real refugees but all that is arriving now is welfare tourists looking for free money and well I don't blame them, they must be laughing themselves to sleep each night at us.

Out governments policy is creating a situation where irish people have to worry more about keeping the house warm and feeding their family this winter than refugees who are pocketing savings every week without any of these worries.

Peoples moods are changing and it will be messy by winter, the only good thing is when they are voted out of government it will be a long time before people vote them back in again.

The war started months ago so why are all these thousands only now fleeing from Ukraine to Ireland and not months ago?

is_that_so · 09-09-2022 07:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119590076#Comment_119590076

Government of the time most people would say and accept and an absolutely essential tool to deal with the black hole of Anglo. There's really no political argument to be made out of this at all. Was there an actual alternative?

is_that_so · 09-09-2022 07:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119593768#Comment_119593768

Peoples moods are changing and it will be messy by winter, the only good thing is when they are voted out of government it will be a long time before people vote them back in again.

Apart from your friends and family insights do you actually have anything to back this up?

is_that_so · 09-09-2022 07:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119593273#Comment_119593273

It was a deal signed off on by IBRC, a government-created entity but not a government-controlled one. They were following their mandate even if they were largely duped in this case.

is_that_so · 09-09-2022 07:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119593919#Comment_119593919

It's not an election issue, nor likely to be. It has full Dail support.

is_that_so · 09-09-2022 07:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119593929#Comment_119593929

Being fed up is a state of mind of the public when asked particular questions. It gives no indications of voting intentions in 2 years' time. Housing and health will be the election battle, mostly housing. Anyway there is a thread on this which I notice you've already found so moving on from this.

is_that_so · 09-09-2022 08:04AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119593949#Comment_119593949

I actually did. Here is the bit I highlighted from that post, which is all about an election. Posters don't always reference all details in a post they reply to.

Peoples moods are changing and it will be messy by winter, the only good thing is when they are voted out of government it will be a long time before people vote them back in again.

brokenangel · 09-09-2022 08:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119593919#Comment_119593919

A lot of people seem to jump up and down when a poll gives them the answer they want, when it doesn't they ignore

A poll is exactly that, a poll and maybe give a view into a small sector of society but it would be the same as taking a poll on boards. We seen what happened here when we had a person run a poll, once they didn't get the answer they wanted they told everyone to ignore the result

Come back to us with an election or an actual vote. Till then its all noise!!

FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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