Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

And are you aware of the side effects of the vaccine? probably not since it's still in trial, and constantly changing the formula....

The links you posted from Nhs, related to dexamethasone, refer to a drug (a steroid btw what has that anything to do with NSAIDs ?) as a treatment for patients already on a ventilator.

The other link is like 100 others reported during the previous 2 years, of alternative inexpensive treatments, that were trialed (beside being already widely used) but rather that attempting the move to the next phase, were dismissed as snake oil

Here an example, Cheap existing antidepressant likely weapon against Covid-19 – The Irish Times

Only one drug was accepted as the new frontier, and quickly deployed as the best treatment to prevent the infection. We all know how it ended

The point is that the medicine stopped being as such, and instead it was decided to follow an absurd protocol, at the expenses of many unnecessary death

Well I see is futile to keep reasoning with you, as usual any opinion different from the one spouted by the mainstream, is addressed as anti vax propaganda. I replied to your ivermectin quote but of course the message was deleted by the "fact-checkers", I am not going back to that, but the fact that it was removed it's just the proof that was an inconvenient truth. I was discussing the use of anti-inflammatory and the proof that if it was used as a first weapon of defense it would have decreased hospitalization by a great deal, the same anti-inflammatory that nobody recommended to use as a home treatment in the previous 2.5 years. No worries man keep up the good work, keep relying on whoever is in charge to give you the best option (according to them) for your survival/wellbeing, we all know that historically that's exactly the opposite of what's going to happen.

I see that you enjoy being obtuse, does dramatically reducing serious illness & death not form part of your equation.

I wont waste your time if you don't waste mine

How can you reduce the incidences of infection without preventing infections? We'll leave you to your semantic rabbit hole.

The meaning of my statements are clear:

In terms of severe covid, for those vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine... the vaccine was from 90% to 64% effective at prevention versus unvaccinated over the duration of the study.

That translates into prevented infections, prevented transmissions, prevented hospitalisations and prevented deaths.

I'm not trying to fool anyone, I've posted real world data showing the benefits of the vaccine which trump any semantic games or clutching at the exact meaning of a word in a dictionary.

Are you in hospital on a respirator?:How many people are in hospital on respirators these days because of covid-19?

Do you agree that people who've received shots are better protected against serious illness from covid-19?

I don't call it a vaccine, it's more like a preventative medicine as in prevents serious illness from covid-19.

If you can't admit that it helps greatly then you are delusional.

Hardly a representative sample.

Asked and answered above - see Hong Kong. Without vaccines versus Omicron we would be in trouble.

I used a country with a sample size of more than 2 people to show what happened when a large cohort of unvaccinated vulnerable people encountered Omicron. How come Omicron didn't save Hong Kong?

Why does that matter? If Omicron can put a large number of vulnerable people into hospital, ICU and the grave, that speaks to its capability.

(a) It in no way alters the importance of the vaccines pre-Omicron.

(b) And it's not true.

So anyone asserting Omicron saved us does not do so on the basis of evidence.

And besides, it has already been asked and answered on the thread already... see earlier posts looking at life expectancy \ how hard they were hit in earlier waves and eg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119566008/#Comment_119566008

And Omicron is a highly infectious disease. And we have a lot of vulnerable people.

And isn't that what you've said about covid all along, Omicron or not - vulnerable people will be vulnerable to most diseases? So the revisionism about Omicron rings hollow.

How exactly would it have saved us without vaccines? It wouldn't have. And what would 2021 have looked like without vaccines.

Your argument is going round and round in circles contradicting itself.

So all those vulnerable people in Hong Kong would be alive today if they'd been vaccinated? Got ya.

Interesting study from Sweden

Severe COVID-19 impairs the immune system for longer than 6 months - Linköping University (liu.se)

The immune cells of patients who received hospital care for COVID-19 early in the pandemic were still affected six months later. A new study suggests that infection by the SARS-CoV-2 virus leaves significant effects long after the patient is symptom-free. The results have been published in Frontiers in Immunology.

Shin

Came into this thread for the first time in months to still see people arguing. Literally nobody mentions covid anymore in real life. It’s over. Done. Touch grass.