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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I saw Martin on the news earlier. He was in the midlands somewhere. In typical old-school FF manner, Cowen was in the background trying to ensure that the camera caught him even though Martin was doing all the talking. Cowen is a very poor TD.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Yep but it is dangerous for Martin to underestimate him. That's what all local TDs do for the cameras though.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Why have we not seized the asset of a rogue state ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The Russian State and many Russians are sanctioned, this is not one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    He also has a sense of victimhood and a belief that he took one for the team. He is right that he will probably get a ministerial post in December, even a junior one. As for how bad he is that is up to his constituents and there is really no point in railing against who people choose to return; that's called democracy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Ask the farmer at the time and most didn’t want him to go from Agri

    He is one of the only ones backing the likes of HVO for kerosene replacement in houses. Just some of the work he is doing

    Of course you have poster in here saying he is a poor TD but I would fall off my seat if they managed to compliment any TD in government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    He does well on the family vote but you would hope the days of FF dynasties are over now. It should always be the best and most honest candidate. He will probably get a job in the reshuffle but the optics won't be great.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Optics are "not great" only when people can remember what it was that made the optics bad in the first place! Politicians are rehabilitated all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    This sort of nonsensical rant against landlords is mind-boggling.

    House ownership in Ireland remains above average in the OECD. A rental market is required.

    "this business friendly sh1t" as you call it, has resulted in some of the highest living standards in the world. We have less income inequality, we have the highest social welfare rates, even most of those on social welfare can take a foreign holiday once a year.

    Yes, there is a problem with home ownership among a certain age cohort, we have a population bulge in their 20s and 30s that aren't in a position to buy houses at the moment. Government policy is addressing this and slowly things are improving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If you do that, those that want to rent rather than buy will be facing massive increases. Your assumption is that everybody wants to buy.

    As I have said before, the biggest problem in Ireland is the entitled expectation that everybody can buy a house next door to mammy with four bedrooms and a garden big enough for a trampoline.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Seems Siteserv is not a big a deal as many misery merchants thought it was, according to the report.


    https://www.thejournal.ie/siteserv-report-5859961-Sep2022/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The misery merchants will be wallowing in disgust that Michael Noonan wasn't blamed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So at the insistence of all those out there who thought Denis O'Brien pulled a fast one, we spent €70m on a Commission that exonerated him, but said the IBRC could potentially have made another €8m. Was that a complete waste of money? Who pushed to set the thing up?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    9 years to get proof that the Siteserv deal was absolutely red rotten and surrounded in corruption. The taxpayer lost over 100m in that great deal. They didn't shred all the evidence it seems but it's still a bit of a whitewash - what a surprise!

    Final report on Siteserv sale published (rte.ie)

    A report into the sale by the Irish Bank Resolution Corporation (IBRC) of Siteserv to a company controlled by Denis O'Brien has found Siteserv's decision to offer the businessman exclusivity on the deal in February 2012 was "tainted by impropriety" from the perspective of the bank.

    It found the decision favoured Mr O'Brien as exclusivity "conferred on him a significant advantage over the other bidders seeking to acquire the Siteserv Group".

    It says this decision was "not reasonable" from the point of view of IBRC bank.

    The report found that Robert Dix "gave false, misleading and untruthful evidence in sworn affidavits" to the Commission of Investigation.

    The commission concluded that the bank made its decision to approve the sale of the Siteserv Group to Mr O’Brien in good faith, but based on "misleading and incomplete information provided to it by the Company".

    "In the light of all the matters set out above, the commission finds that it can be concluded that the Siteserv transaction was not commercially sound in respect of the manner in which it was conducted, the decisions made and the outcomes achieved," the report said.

    "This 'below the surface’ process meant that steps were taken and decisions made…in the course of the Siteserv sale process in a manner that was manifestly improper and which undermined the integrity of the Siteserv sale process," the commission concluded.

    Publishing the report, the Government said it accepts the findings of the commission, which it said "shines a light on unacceptable practices by certain parties during the course of the transaction".

    ---------------------------

    New Politics, FG style!

    Some lessons learned perhaps? Taxpayer loses as per usual. Disgusting stuff...

    Another scandal on the list for GE.Next

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    F**k me 8.7 million more??????

    All that for 8.7m more. What a waste of time and money.

    The bogey man Denis O'Brien for some people really is odd carry on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,851 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    How much has report cost? Well over 30 million it said in the news. Absolute... insanity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,851 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Where is the 70millon figure from?

    The news said "well over 30 million".

    Insane amount obviously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yep and look how long it took. Another win for the friendly legals. They do love a lengthy investigation... Delay after delay after delay.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Did you read the report??

    Unbelievable nonsense from you. The Commission said that the IBRC "could" have got 8m more from the deal. Not would, not should, but could.

    Taxpayer lost big on the IBRC Commission which has taken seven years and €70m (the €30m is only for the Siteserv bit) to find we "could" have saved €8m. Be a long time before I support setting up another Commission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,438 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    9 years to get proof that the Siteserv deal was absolutely red rotten and surrounded in corruption. The taxpayer lost over 100m in that great deal. They didn't shred all the evidence it seems but it's still a bit of a whitewash - what a surprise!

    This is a great example of Trump nonsense that sometimes get spouted in this thread.

    Where does it say that the Taxpayer lost 100 million? And just because you didn't get the result you didn't like, you call it a whitewash.

    Again, another Trumpism, 'they stole the election'...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭jmcc


    All that's missing from this is the infamous "lessons learned" statement by the usual politicians.

    It took the Indo some time to report on it. There does seem to be a mad panic to keep FG out of this mess.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Whom was minister of finance when this deal was signed off?



  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If the money was written off after a bailout,whom exactly do you think ended up stumping up the money to cover it??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Some FGer that few FGers seem to want to mention these days. Think that he was even worried about the impact of another deal for Dinny on FG at the time.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,008 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I wonder will Anchorage have something to say about the dodgy deal?

    A good summary

    Siteserv deal - what was the controversy about? (rte.ie)

    But, in 2012, Siteserv was under significant financial pressure and owed IBRC, the former Anglo Irish Bank, €150m.

    When Siteserv was sold for €45m in 2012, the bank wrote off €119m of the €150m it was owed.

    As IBRC was State-owned, the loan was effectively owed to the taxpayer.

    One of the biggest issues raised following the deal was a claim that IBRC could have recouped more money by selling Siteserv to another bidder.

    A fund called Anchorage claimed to have offered a higher price.

    However, the fact that a rival bidder raised questions about how much money the State could recoup sparked a flurry of political claims that the taxpayer could have got a better deal.

    To complicate matters further, the bank agreed that the deal could include a €5m payment to the shareholders in Siteserv.

    This is unusual, because normally, if a bank is writing off money, the shareholders would be completely wiped out.

    A third unusual aspect of the transaction was that law firm Arthur Cox was acting for Siteserv, but also acted for Denis O'Brien during the purchase.

    Seven years later, he has published his report into that transaction.

    Along the way, many questions have been asked about the length of time it has taken to conclude the inquiry and the expense.

    But like everything about the Siteserv deal, even the inquiry into it has been controversial.

    --------------

    It still utterly stinks. Given the timing I bet FFG hope the energy crisis and upcoming budget will take over the headlines.

    The optics are wonderful. Have we enough blinkers though? 😉

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Given the phone calls that Varadkar (current leader of FG) made to help Trump with planning issues and about which Varadkar later boasted, you might want to reconsider your attempts to use the phrase "Trumpism" as Varadkar and by extension FG are linked to Trump in a rather embarrassing manner.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43425048

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,016 ✭✭✭jmcc


    From the comments on Twitter, this is a disaster for FG.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=Siteserv&src=typed_query

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



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