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General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,697 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    number 4 was VAR doing its job if that's how we were told VAR would be applied.

    it did still show inconsistency.

    it was soft. Odegaard barely touched him. Eriksen fell over. a foul is normally given, but if it's not given, what we'd previously been told is, that it has to be a clear and obvious error to be overturned. that was not clear and obvious. there is room there for it to be too soft to be a foul.

    if the directive is to 're-referee the incident', then that's fine. but i don't think that's what it's supposed to be.

    it's a weird one, because I think the ref got the decision right when he re-refereed it. but i don't think they're supposed to be re-refereeing these incidents.

    i wish they'd just be consistent on everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭Potential Underachiever


    Rodgers is getting dogs abuse day in day out off the same poster on here (its tedious) , you might not have noticed that part, so it may have skewed your perception a bit. Of course no manager walks away from a pay off, it would be a very dumb move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    I don't know why they still use the "clear and obvious" tag line when it comes to VAR interventions, as it clearly intervenes in all on field incidents!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    Tbf to Rodgers his squad is being gutted. It appears the owners don't have the financial might to continue competing for Champion's League spots and have decided to try and balance the books and prioritise getting money in to the club over maintaining a strong squad. Not a fan of his but I think he has done a decent job at Leicester and I don't blame him holding out for a payoff. If the owners want him gone after gutting his squad then they should have to pay him off. They don't have to replace him but it seems they have chosen to. It's not like they are in danger of going in to administration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    I think the majority of the frustration with VAR decisions is down to various interpretations and implementations across various refs. As an example nobody knows how much time play should go on for before a goal is disallowed by VAR over a foul earlier in the play.

    Arsenal's goal was disallowed on Sunday and yes anyone can offer a logical explanation as to why the decision was made. Yet the same logic can't be applied to similar incidents that have already taken place. In a game a couple of seasons ago involving Liverpool and Utd, Utd scored after a foul on Mane earlier in the buildup. Iirc there were 2 passees between the foul and the ball ending in the back of the net. The goal was not disallowed and I recall Dermot Gallagher and others try to explain it by saying the foul occurred too far back in the buildup. But there are no clear rules on this in terms of how far back you can take it. It leads to these inconsistencies which is ultimately where fan frustrations lie.

    Imo VAR should only be employed to correct clear cut decisions the onfield ref gets wrong. Things such as offside and whether a foul occurs inside / outside the box, handballs and whether a foul is a red card or not. Simplify it until they can consistently get that right then review it and see what they can add.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,167 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Even using VAR the way you say you still have problems where red cards and offside are open to interpretation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Their hands were fairly tied as they were at ffp limits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Brendan Flowers


    Liverpool fans are always quick to praise Klopp for how the club operates in the transfer market. And if that's the case then surely Rodgers deserves the same praise for the transfers while he was Liverpool manager? The one in particular I'm referring to is Coutinho. The player who's sale to Barcelona we are always reminded funded the Van Dijk and Allison signings. Maybe a little more respect should be given to Rodgers for his contributions at Liverpool prior to them winning everything...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,727 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Arteta seems to be getting a lot of blame on social media for the triple sub, one of those three was just back from injury so wasn't able to play a full game, and Ødegaard was a doubt pre-game so he was the same. Two of the three subs were essentially forced on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    They sold three first team players in the last three summers I wouldn't call that gutting Rodgers squad.

    Chilwell & Fofana being the main two and they got very good money for them

    Schmeichel being the other who was well past his best and as shown in France with Nice he isn't doing a great job there either as they are 5th from bottom and only out of the religation place on goal difference.

    Rodgers has also spent £150m in the transfer market as manager and hasn't done a great job recruting players himself.

    For two season it is as clear as day they cannont defend set peices and yet Rodgers hasn't been able to coach them how to defend.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    Don't think offside is open to interpretation. The only aspect of it is whether a player standing in an offside position is interfering with play. There will always be an element of ref interpretation on that one. They would have to change the offside rule itself to eliminate that one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,167 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You don't think it's open to interpretation but then explain exactly how its open to interpretation 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    The absolute venom that is directed at Rodgers by some supporters of his previous club is really, really weird. He was in charge of them when they came within a hairs breadth of winning the league yet he gets nothing but bile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭.red.


    If he coached a team to defend he might be ok but he doesn't/cant. He was blessed with Suarez and Sturridge in the form of their lives at Liverpool and instead of trying to hold onto leads he went for more goals cos he didn't know what else to do and dropped a lot of points because of it. He never made any tactical substitutions to change a game cos he didn't have a plan B.

    His main tactic at Leicester is to counter using Vardys pace and if that doesn't work they usually loose cos they can't defend.

    He did well at Celtic because they were the only team in a 1 horse race.

    He really isn't a likeable fella either.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    To me, each game shouldn’t have a VAR ref. There should be a central team in London who make the decisions on all the games rather than each fixture having an appointed ref. I believe the NFL and NBA use a similar style system with one centralised function.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Klopp doesn't get the praise for transfers at Liverpool. It's always been Michael Edwards, up until when he left last year.

    So why should Rodgers get any praise? It's well known that Rodgers forced his own way with transfers at Liverpool and is part of the reason why he was sacked. Rodgers was not behind any of the transfer successes, it's the opposite

    The Sturridge signing you mentioned should have actually gone through the summer previously but Rodgers vetoed it and was forced into it the following January.

    One famous example is when Edwards & the scouting team recommended Firmino as the forward signing. Rodgers wouldn't have it and wanted Benteke instead and fought very hard for Benteke. Eventually a truce was called and both were signed. Firmino was left on the bench often, actually played as a RWB in one game while Benteke started and failed to impress. Firmino eventually played when Klopp took over and did impress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    I mean't in the basic sense of lines drawn across the pitch. I should have elaborated to be clearer. No need to be a smart ass about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,657 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Not sure about that, there's quite a few of us that still like B-Rod. He was a great servant to our club through a difficult time and did the best he could with a largely poor squad. He only had Plan A though which is ultimately what cost him his job. That Plan A seems to be all that he still has, but with the right players, it's a great plan. I still hold him in high esteem for that fantastic season and if he came back, I'd be supportive of him again. The only thing is that he pales in comparison to Klopp so would be hard to go back to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,884 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    I get Leicester selling Fofana , and having ther budget tied by FFP, but what I dont' get is selling Schmichael, he was a leader , and organised the now shambolic defense - should have kept him for one more season given financial predicment - Rodgers is no longer the man to fix where they are - Sean Dyche might help sort out ther defense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,370 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Ten Hag is doing ok this past 2 weeks. Yes, he has gone back to basics and trying to shore it up at the back but that’s what he should have done from the very start. He deserves massive credit for standing up to Ronaldo and the team is better for it.

    He had to drop Maguire, it’s an important step for the team but Maguire will get back in as Varane is injury prone. Nice to see Rashford playing well even though I’d be happy to see Utd lose every game they ever play!



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  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not surprised at all about how it's gone with Rodgers. Hes still not able to handle the defensive side of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,435 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    I think Rodgers is generally quite liked by Liverpool fans, always get a good reception when he comes back to Anfield anyway. But he seems to have gathered a lot of hate from opposition fans from his time spent at Liverpool, I get some of it the Brodgers/David Brent stuff, but he was fairly inoffensive on the side-line and the likes so I never really understood a lot of the hate from the opposition fans. Some of it has carried to this day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Tbh Ive never seen him getting grief from anyone other than some Liverpool fans, on Boards anyway. I get that he isnt an upper tier manager, I absolutely wouldn't want him managing United but he was involved when Liverpool had their best league season in a generation and just fell short. The club were hardly competing at the sharp end of the season year in year out before he came in and its not as if he got them relegated. As I said, I just find it really weird the hate he gets when he didnt do anything other than not be good enough for a top level job. 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭Brendan Flowers


    So Liverpool were poor in defence and brilliant in attack and Rodgers gets blamed for not setting them up to defend but doesn't get praised for getting them scoring goals for fun? If all credit goes to Suarez and Sturridge for the goals scored, then surely the blame goes to the regular backs for conceding so many?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    There would be very much mixed feelings about him amongst the Celtic support but that is more about how he left and all the sh*te he talked beforehand, nothing to do with his actual ability as a manager which is unanimously appreciated.


    I never got the Suarez/Sturridge argument. Surely the manager gets credit for the fact that they both showed the best form of their careers under him. It's like arguing that Klopp got lucky that Salah has been in the form of his career so Klopp somehow deserves less credit for what he has achieved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,841 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I'll always have a massive soft spot for Rodgers - the fella gave me one of the most fun, exciting seasons of my life in 13/14.

    I also think he's an excellent manager, with one big failing that he has trouble reinventing a team over time. He'll come in with a general plan, figure out how to get the best out of what he has, but once that goes stale (through either time, or transfers etc), he has trouble going back to the drawing board. An incredible manager for one cycle is seems.

    I 100% disagree with the stuff that he just got lucky with that Liverpool front-line, and I can't really understand how anyone who watched them could think that... like, the players themselves were excellent obviously - but the interplay and tactics got the most out of them. It wasn't just Suarez or Sturridge doing it all by themselves, it was brilliant attacking interplay that cut teams open, with their quality at the end to make it count. It is zero coincidence that from when he arrived, each half-season Liverpool's points per game was higher than the previous one. There was consistent improvement, right up until Suarez left, and Sturridge broke. From then onwards, he just couldn't reinvent the team and pull off something incredible a second time.

    Would say exactly the same has happened at Leicester - he had them way above where they should be by getting the absolute most out of what he came into (getting so close to 4th twice seems to be used as a stick to beat him with, rather than an achievement that was way above expectation... getting so close has been his curse). But again, once it all got a bit stale he's really struggled to pull out a second magnificent team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Looking at stats for the season so far and come across a strange one ,

    Martinez off United has lost only 3 aerial battles but has also only won 5

    Van Dijk has lost 7 aerial battles but has won 22 ,

    Is it a bit bizarre that teams are targeting a giant like VVD more in the air & not the smaller Martinez

    or is it that VVD attacks and commits to more aerial duels than Martinez,

    For instant at corner's &free kicks is VVD more likely to go try win ball & Martinez doesn't compete leaves it to he's partner & mops up ? Like on long balls is Martinez letting forwards win header without competing & waiting to clean it up on the ground ?


    Ground duels are how you'd expect

    Martinez lost 11 won 18

    VVD lost 12 won 26



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    I would of thought who they were asked to mark etc during set pieces would be a bigger factor than one commiting more than another?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,841 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    For set pieces you'll often have the big lads doing zonal to attack the ball primarily, and smaller lads man-marking to get in the way of the opposition's main threats. So in that case, you'd expect the likes of VVD and Varane to be given the higher-volume areas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    The who scored team of the season so far is intresting

    GK : Pope 7.3

    RB: Tripper 7.4

    CB : Schar 7.5

    CB : Anderson 7.3

    LB : Cancelo 7.3

    LW: Salah 7.3

    CM : KDB 7.8

    CM : Hojberg 7.4

    RW: Maximin 7.7

    CF; haaland 8.2

    CF : Mitrovic 7.9



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