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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    So getting back to your question "What's the point having a 24/7 bus lane on the North Strand if there isn't even going to be a bus stop on it..." there are still bus stops so a 24/7 bus lane is justified!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 910 ✭✭✭brianc89


    Well my comment was made in jest, given the level of criticism I got last week, when I took issue with the bus stop removal plan.

    I'm 100% for extended bus lane operating hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,856 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Looks like the balls-up has yet to happen. Schools back a week now and no real traffic difficulties in the North Strand and Ballybough area in the mornings anyway. If anything the traffic is moving better than it used to. It seems people have taken heed and are either avoiding the area, avoiding rush hour or using alternative means of transport. Works seem to be progressing nicely all along the route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,807 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    So it has survived the school run test too. All is good. No balls-up after all!



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    These things are always catastrophised by a small number who get disproportionate airtime



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,461 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I passed through Fairview this morning at around 7:30. Big problems being caused by cars blocking the yellow box on the Howth Road intersection leading to right turning traffic unable to enter the road (taxi driver was the biggest culprit here but was certainly not alone).

    DL reg Opel drove straight through to Amiens Street without a bother on him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Compo82


    Not sure what you deem good, there were fairly long tail backs on Richmond road and Ballybough moved very slowly. There were never any issues in them places before the works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,807 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    there were absolutely issues there for decades now, I went to school in Fairview and then used to get a lift to college sometimes via Summerhill, it was always at a standstill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Cars abusing the yellow box there is nothing new.

    Ballybough always moves slowly. I generally avoided it long before the works ever started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Compo82


    Well there was a rights balls up this morning, traffic was struck on Grace Park rd all the way up to Griffith Avenue because it was all clogged on Richmond rd



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,457 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Fairview and Marino are absolutely mental this morning. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen phillipsbourgh Avenue, Brian road or Griffith avenue this busy. It’s been at a near stand still this morning. Truly amazing the aversion Irish people have to a bit of rain.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,974 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Howth road junction was very bad too, cars in the yellow box brought the whole place to a standstill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,552 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    I live in the area and am completely okay with the intention of the bus/bike lane, love the plans....

    but....

    the temporary one way system is the wrong way, Coming inbound currently, you get to Hillbillys, and have to cross the outbound lane to get towards Ballybough, so outbound is stopped. If outbound is flowing, then inbound is stopped. At any moment there, only the outbound OR inbound lane can operate, so both directions are at 50% capacity. If the outbound had been directed to Ballybough, and the inbound as the one way, you would double the inflow (bar the 10-15% of time you need for the crosswalk).


    Then you've the same prblem cars who have gone through Ballybough, having to cross back over the inbound lane getting towards Amiens Street. I've no idea why they redirected it that way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,919 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Just as a reminder, the main purpose of the works and the main reason for project taking 18 months of road closures is for the water main works, not the bus/bike lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,211 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    If 40% of people cycled or walked for their peak hour trips and 40% took public transport there'd be no congestion. As long as the infrastructure exists for people to walk cycle and take PT quickly and safely, it doesn't really bother me personally if people choose to queue up in cars for long periods of time. Shame about the kids who have asthma and have to breath in the fumes but I guess health isn't much of a consideration in policy these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭Compo82


    Yes, but the congestion just causes more fumes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    I generally don't cycle in weather like we have today. But equally, I won't get in the car, as I couldn't handle the increased traffic. I'd take the bus or train.

    But I have bulky tools and equipment to move today. So I'll try and time a gap where it's not raining, and go on the cargo bike.

    We just need more people to embrace not driving. And it's not all or nothing, like a lot of the anti cycling brigade seem to think it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭markpb


    If you design any road to reduce local emissions by optimising vehicle speed and throughout, you actually end up increasing emissions across the whole city because a better road network encourages more people to drive. Eventually so many people drive that congestion returns and emissions rise even more. It’s counter-intuitive but there’s plenty of research to show it in action across the world.

    Look at any of the world cities with great public/mass transport systems and you’ll still see congestion on the roads above/below. Some people will drive even when there’s a good alternative because the alternative doesn’t suit them specifically or because they prefer to drive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,397 ✭✭✭markpb


    What about a farmer who lives 100 miles from Skibbereen and twenty miles from his farm m. Do you expect him to cycle uphill both ways with a full slurry spreader on his back?

    Are you telling us all we have to live in cities? Why do the Greens hate country people so much and want them all to be forced to live in 1950s tenements in Ballymun? /s



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,311 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Of course he shouldn't have to cycle uphill with a slurry spreader on his back. He should carry it in a trailer behind his bike.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    When did the Greens ever suggest somethng as stupid as what you've posted?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭rameire


    I'm confused. How is it uphill both ways?

    is there ever a downhill section?

    Maybe the farmer could live at the top of the hill and only ever go downhill?

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,211 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,428 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    whats a farmer doing in Fairview with a slurry spreader? is it another protest? :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,919 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Going to the jewellers obvs. Until he found he had nowhere to park his tractor with slurry spreader.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    To be fair, it's the kind of stuff that seems to surface in so many threads on there these days, hence my assumption it was for real.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 27,418 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    The red light hopping is getting worse, cars and bicycles. I pity those two lollipop women at North Strand school. This morning I witnessed a 'mammy' type cyclist push her way through the crossing and past the lollipop lady while the lights were still red. We've lost it completely if previously law abiding cyclists have joined the loon contingent.

    Cars coming up Ossory road almost all turning left towards town these days. Usual segment of cyclists completely ignoring the red lights at the top of the hill and carrying on through. Only a matter of time before one of them is killed or seriously injured.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,863 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    can you imagine though if you did live on an exposed part near the coast, and had to cycle uphill, north easterly, to work; and then going home was typically into a prevailing wind and you never really got to enjoy the downhill. that'd just be cruel.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,856 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D




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