BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

Let me just get my timings right, this was after Truss said she wasn't sure if Macron was a friend or foe, right?

The timing is before, when it was down to the last 5.

I do agree she shouldn't have said that publicly, but this was said in the context of the Tory leadership hustings.

And anyway, is Macron not president of France and not the president of the EU. Is France not an independent county anymore? Can you not criticize the leader of an EU state without being seen to criticize the EU at the same time?

Johnson resigned due to internal politics, not his performance in world diplomacy.

This. To be booted, the Tories will need to identify her as a liability to their chances of re-election, much like Johnson had become.

I’ve little doubt she’ll be a crap PM and it would be hilarious fun if she crashed out by Easter, but that’s all down to how the Tories themselves view her. They had a self-aggrandizing clown play-acting as PM for years and they were OK with it long past the point of naturally tossing him out. They can do it again for a couple more years.

Just like with BoJo, Truss’ time at No.10 is secure so long the Tory’s chances of election aren’t hurt by her, and so long there isn’t a viable alternative. If either (or likely both) of these change, she’s out.

She will be very interested in using it as a pawn like Johnson did.

If she lasts until March she will be doing well.

There will be a GE and Ben Wallace will be the new party leader.

God knows how a GE result would pan out though.

The biggest problem for Liz Truss and by extension the Tory party is the way that they select and remove leaders.

The leader is elected by the members and may not have the full support of the parliamentary party. However, a minority of the parliamentary party may move a motion of confidence.

That leaves any leader in the situation vulnerable at all times.

The biggest problem for the Tort party is that they have completely lost the plot and everything they do is based not on what is good for the country, or even the party, but rather Brexit. They have been effectively taken over, from within, by UKIP.

Farage may not have ever been elected as an MP, but he has been running the country for the last 8 years or so.

By purging anyone that even hints at a different view of Brexit, they have ended up with a lack of talent, a lack of leaders, a lack of ideas.

I wonder did they realise they had created this logical inconsistency whereby one entity within the party can remove the leader but the other entity has the final say in their successor. On the one hand it could be seen as a plus - The Labour Party MPs wouldn't have been saddled with Jeremy Corbyn for all those years. On the other hand though you can end up in a scenario like this one where someone becomes leader with minority support from within the ranks of MPs who they will lead.

I wonder did Fine Gael look at the way that the Tory leaders are selected because their method is very similar except that they chose to weight their voting so that the TDs and Senators votes got more weighting than the councilors votes, who in turn, got more weighting than the rank and file members. If FG had used the Tory method Simon Coveney would have become leader and Taoiseach in 2017 instead of Leo Varadkar.

I would factor in the role of the right wing press as well. They have clearly become even more corrupt in recent years and clearly see their role as keeping the Tories in power and shaping government policy. It's as if the Tory Party and their press enablers are part of the same organisation.

The way they big up the Conservatives but slate Starmer and Sturgeon is almost authoritarian state stuff.

But she can't express her opinions on Macron or the EU?

The problem here it seems that some people - both on this thread and in the EU - can't get past the idea that the UK left the Club and have ever since been praying that the country will implode. Despite all the internal stuff under Boris, they haven't called the IMF or had to go crawling back.

This topic is the perfect storm of legacy "anti-Brit" sentiment coupled with sycophantic "pro-EU" attitudes.

I haven't really followed the campaign but I wish her well. Her party and electorate will decide on her success or failure. Our only interest should be in how she tackles the relationships with ourselves and NI (which predate and are far more important to us than any pissing contest with the EU).