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General Premier League Thread 2022-23 - mod note in OP 12/03/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,574 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Rumours that Rodgers will be gone from Leicester this evening, currently negotiating a payoff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭ceegee


    Yes, if you ignore the decisions listed that went to clubs outside the top 4, all the remaining decisions went to top 4 clubs.

    Must be a conspiracy



  • Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Haha yeah the small North London clubs have been screwed over for too long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,756 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    I keep reading that Arteta made a mess of his subs. In my opinion he was just reacting to the clever sub of Fred by Ten Hag. After only 5 mins on the pitch Arteta could see that Fred was occupying those spaces where Arsenal were getting joy through Zinchenko and Odegaard. It was a very clever tweak by ETH and Arteta was just trying to wrestle back the upper hand.

    I'd say he knew full well of the risks of leaving United man for man up front.

    Also, whilst I agree with others that there are similarities between Ole's team and that of ETH, there are also some key differences. We are definitely organised better in our press and we want to control games more but I think the Stamina isn't there yet. It takes considerable time to build up the level of fitness required to play that way and a shortened preseason didn't help. See Klopp when he took over at Liverpool. It will be bit by bit that ETH gets United playing more to his preferred way but there are green shoots. The first goal yesterday is as good a team goal you will see. We also haven't got a keeper to sustain possession or a striker to keep it until Martial is fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,631 ✭✭✭tanko


    He wants to get sacked going by what he’s been saying lately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,825 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    You're right that the Coutinho one wasn't a VAR fault, but it was more a ref error than a lino fault (though it was both). Flagging doesn't automatically lead to a blown whistle - it's the ref's responsibility to decide to stop play. Rashford scored on the break a few seasons ago, where the flag went up but the ref didn't blow. The lino was wrong, and the goal stood because play hadn't been stopped. That's what should have happened on Saturday.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,338 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    You need to knock that last 2 off.

    4. It was a foul...simple as. VAR actually done it's job.

    5. Linesman flagging and referee blowing up ain't a VAR issue.

    You should have stopped at 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,128 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    That is where the linesmen are bad some hold the flag down for certain times until either the ball is won, goes out of play or a goal is scored and some put it up right away. They need to be

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,139 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    and to clarify, I said what he did with Ajax, was great, would be at least be end of season or probably next , before I would label term great to what he has done at United, but seams at this stage have them on right path.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Reports this evening that it will cost Leicester close to £10m to sack Rodgers and to pay him off.

    No wonder he has been doing his best in the media over the last few weeks trying to get fired instead of quitting.



    However Rodgers is laying some great foundations there for the next manager.

    Swansea won the league cup after he left, Liverpool won everything after he left and Celtic are winning again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    Rodgers seems to be taking a lot of abuse for hanging in for the pay off (not saying I agree with it) but has there ever been a manager that has done the honourable thing and walked away from the situation when the team stops performing for him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,222 ✭✭✭✭SlickRic


    number 4 was VAR doing its job if that's how we were told VAR would be applied.

    it did still show inconsistency.

    it was soft. Odegaard barely touched him. Eriksen fell over. a foul is normally given, but if it's not given, what we'd previously been told is, that it has to be a clear and obvious error to be overturned. that was not clear and obvious. there is room there for it to be too soft to be a foul.

    if the directive is to 're-referee the incident', then that's fine. but i don't think that's what it's supposed to be.

    it's a weird one, because I think the ref got the decision right when he re-refereed it. but i don't think they're supposed to be re-refereeing these incidents.

    i wish they'd just be consistent on everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,005 ✭✭✭Potential Underachiever


    Rodgers is getting dogs abuse day in day out off the same poster on here (its tedious) , you might not have noticed that part, so it may have skewed your perception a bit. Of course no manager walks away from a pay off, it would be a very dumb move.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭Ottoman_1000


    I don't know why they still use the "clear and obvious" tag line when it comes to VAR interventions, as it clearly intervenes in all on field incidents!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    Tbf to Rodgers his squad is being gutted. It appears the owners don't have the financial might to continue competing for Champion's League spots and have decided to try and balance the books and prioritise getting money in to the club over maintaining a strong squad. Not a fan of his but I think he has done a decent job at Leicester and I don't blame him holding out for a payoff. If the owners want him gone after gutting his squad then they should have to pay him off. They don't have to replace him but it seems they have chosen to. It's not like they are in danger of going in to administration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    I think the majority of the frustration with VAR decisions is down to various interpretations and implementations across various refs. As an example nobody knows how much time play should go on for before a goal is disallowed by VAR over a foul earlier in the play.

    Arsenal's goal was disallowed on Sunday and yes anyone can offer a logical explanation as to why the decision was made. Yet the same logic can't be applied to similar incidents that have already taken place. In a game a couple of seasons ago involving Liverpool and Utd, Utd scored after a foul on Mane earlier in the buildup. Iirc there were 2 passees between the foul and the ball ending in the back of the net. The goal was not disallowed and I recall Dermot Gallagher and others try to explain it by saying the foul occurred too far back in the buildup. But there are no clear rules on this in terms of how far back you can take it. It leads to these inconsistencies which is ultimately where fan frustrations lie.

    Imo VAR should only be employed to correct clear cut decisions the onfield ref gets wrong. Things such as offside and whether a foul occurs inside / outside the box, handballs and whether a foul is a red card or not. Simplify it until they can consistently get that right then review it and see what they can add.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,393 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Even using VAR the way you say you still have problems where red cards and offside are open to interpretation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,068 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Their hands were fairly tied as they were at ffp limits



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Brendan Flowers


    Liverpool fans are always quick to praise Klopp for how the club operates in the transfer market. And if that's the case then surely Rodgers deserves the same praise for the transfers while he was Liverpool manager? The one in particular I'm referring to is Coutinho. The player who's sale to Barcelona we are always reminded funded the Van Dijk and Allison signings. Maybe a little more respect should be given to Rodgers for his contributions at Liverpool prior to them winning everything...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,503 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Arteta seems to be getting a lot of blame on social media for the triple sub, one of those three was just back from injury so wasn't able to play a full game, and Ødegaard was a doubt pre-game so he was the same. Two of the three subs were essentially forced on him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    They sold three first team players in the last three summers I wouldn't call that gutting Rodgers squad.

    Chilwell & Fofana being the main two and they got very good money for them

    Schmeichel being the other who was well past his best and as shown in France with Nice he isn't doing a great job there either as they are 5th from bottom and only out of the religation place on goal difference.

    Rodgers has also spent £150m in the transfer market as manager and hasn't done a great job recruting players himself.

    For two season it is as clear as day they cannont defend set peices and yet Rodgers hasn't been able to coach them how to defend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    Don't think offside is open to interpretation. The only aspect of it is whether a player standing in an offside position is interfering with play. There will always be an element of ref interpretation on that one. They would have to change the offside rule itself to eliminate that one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,393 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You don't think it's open to interpretation but then explain exactly how its open to interpretation 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,631 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    The absolute venom that is directed at Rodgers by some supporters of his previous club is really, really weird. He was in charge of them when they came within a hairs breadth of winning the league yet he gets nothing but bile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭.red.


    If he coached a team to defend he might be ok but he doesn't/cant. He was blessed with Suarez and Sturridge in the form of their lives at Liverpool and instead of trying to hold onto leads he went for more goals cos he didn't know what else to do and dropped a lot of points because of it. He never made any tactical substitutions to change a game cos he didn't have a plan B.

    His main tactic at Leicester is to counter using Vardys pace and if that doesn't work they usually loose cos they can't defend.

    He did well at Celtic because they were the only team in a 1 horse race.

    He really isn't a likeable fella either.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,270 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    To me, each game shouldn’t have a VAR ref. There should be a central team in London who make the decisions on all the games rather than each fixture having an appointed ref. I believe the NFL and NBA use a similar style system with one centralised function.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,341 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Klopp doesn't get the praise for transfers at Liverpool. It's always been Michael Edwards, up until when he left last year.

    So why should Rodgers get any praise? It's well known that Rodgers forced his own way with transfers at Liverpool and is part of the reason why he was sacked. Rodgers was not behind any of the transfer successes, it's the opposite

    The Sturridge signing you mentioned should have actually gone through the summer previously but Rodgers vetoed it and was forced into it the following January.

    One famous example is when Edwards & the scouting team recommended Firmino as the forward signing. Rodgers wouldn't have it and wanted Benteke instead and fought very hard for Benteke. Eventually a truce was called and both were signed. Firmino was left on the bench often, actually played as a RWB in one game while Benteke started and failed to impress. Firmino eventually played when Klopp took over and did impress.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 552 ✭✭✭BillyHasMates


    I mean't in the basic sense of lines drawn across the pitch. I should have elaborated to be clearer. No need to be a smart ass about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,315 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Not sure about that, there's quite a few of us that still like B-Rod. He was a great servant to our club through a difficult time and did the best he could with a largely poor squad. He only had Plan A though which is ultimately what cost him his job. That Plan A seems to be all that he still has, but with the right players, it's a great plan. I still hold him in high esteem for that fantastic season and if he came back, I'd be supportive of him again. The only thing is that he pales in comparison to Klopp so would be hard to go back to.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,139 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    I get Leicester selling Fofana , and having ther budget tied by FFP, but what I dont' get is selling Schmichael, he was a leader , and organised the now shambolic defense - should have kept him for one more season given financial predicment - Rodgers is no longer the man to fix where they are - Sean Dyche might help sort out ther defense.



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