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"Green" policies are destroying this country

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,759 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Extremes of weather are bad.

    A large amount of rain following a period of draught results in soil that is unable to absorb the moisture and leads to flooding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,284 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Why would you think climate change only began 16 years ago?

    How would you draw such conclusion from what I said?

    The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Humans evolved about 300k years ago.

    All of the different climates that existed before then are irrelevant because the vast vast majority of them would have resulted in insta-death for Homo Sapiens

    With natural climate change, we would have another 10k years of relatively stable climate but human activities are changing this so that we're rapidly destabilising the climate we adapted to through evolution, and centuries of development.

    We need to not push our climate into a state that is incompatible with the civilisation that we have built over the past 6 thousand years.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,284 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The things opposed by a random youtube channel that sells data to the oil and gas industry

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    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    "Unless you repent, you too will all perish", more prophecy from John of the apocalypse. The track record of the catastrophists over the past 50 years has been wrong over very short time spans. Now they claim to see for 10,000 years in the future, with no demonstrated skill in prediction all they do is project their invalid apocryphal beliefs.

    Here is what has been reconstructed from proxy records over the past 20,000 years. What happened ~13,000 years ago? There is nothing out of range with todays climate compared to the last 8000 years, if anything the linear temperature trend has been downward in that time.

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    What has the sea level been doing in that time? Not a lot in the last 8,000 years.

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    It’s been a summer of record breaking media hype, if little else.

    It has been an excellent Summer for fruit. I have loads of apples if I can keep the birds off, and the soft fruit, figs & blackberries have never been so abundant or delicious (loads of jam). All the farmers got silage cut with no problems and we had enough rain to keep the grass growing. If this is "climate change", we need more of it.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    It's not just the Greens, all political parties in this country use "climate change" as a vehicle of convenience. The Greens cannot get their legislation into law without the acquiescence of the other political parties. It's a consequence of all the green-washing that few dare to question the consensus. It is only now that the consequences of decisions made years ago in relation to energy security are driving the cost of living higher and threatening survival for the new few Winters that people are beginning to ask questions. How did it get to this?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    It was an excellant summer down here in Kerry only drawback was if you tuned into the daily news .The few fine weeks we still had to listen to the loonies harping on about wild fires and drought and we have these since the day 1 .



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's nothing, as of yet, to be defended or derided as there's nothing more than a soundbite at the moment.

    Once more details are known then I'll happily engage on the topic.

    Right now there is just a load of misinformation and FUD from several posters and I typically avoid discussion when that's the basis of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,971 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Why do you have to wait?

    Do you agree or not with banning replacement gas boilers in existing homes or not?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,386 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




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  • Posts: 5,121 [Deleted User]


    It’s from the Green Party, directly. And clarified on the radio this morning when asked directly

    of course they will have to do a u-turn on it, as is so patently ridiculous and unworkable. So, yes, you are probably better off waiting for that u-turn (‘cough’….clarification) and then you won’t have to engage on it

    no doubt that ER has ballsed this one up though, both in messaging and intent



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    What energy security decision were made years ago 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,477 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Ryan's plan to ban replacement gas boilers in existing homes is utter lunacy. The guy is not thinking straight. He needs to be removed asap.



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not really, I just haven't seen anything on it other than than the 1-2 lines in recent articles.

    Why? Because its old news that this is coming in. Here's an article from 2021 on the very subject

    And another from 2019, when it was announced by the previous government.

    Afaik, oil boilers are already restricted for new builds or are very close to it.

    As for what a policy / regulation / legislation or whatever way its brought in, what that might contain, as I said, I'll wait for the content of that before commenting.

    As for the idea itself i.e. removing fossil fuels from our building stock, yeah no objection to it at all, old or new stock housing.

    I won't comment on FUD regarding replacement part bans as that's a figment of someone's imagination unless there is evidence otherwise.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,120 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    But we're not talking about new boilers in new builds, now are we.

    I for one don't care what he thinks, it would just be more dishonesty or distraction.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,898 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Won't be ASAP but I'd say there's a good chance he'll lose the Environment portfolio in the winter reshuffle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,251 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The Greens down 2% to just 2% in the latest opinion poll. The inevitable has already started for them and people haven't even got their first heart attack bills yet.

    All is going to change utterly this Winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,302 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    As soon as first of those bills start to appear in people houses you can bet that most of them will end up the same way water bills went. That may turn out to be the most appropriate way to use them to make yourself bit warm burning them.

    Seems that since we are bit far from countries most hit by halt in energy imports from Russia we will feel the pain bit later than people located closer. It is starting, make no mistake. Just today about 70-100k people hit the streets in Prague demanding government resign by september 25th promising more protests and actions if they refuse to do so. Main motto was "Not my war".

    The predicted chaos in Europe begins and it is expected to gain momentum in various countries in the coming months.

    EV, turf and oil boiler dreams will be forgotten fast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 516 ✭✭✭interlocked


    You actually ignored the Industrial Revolution in those charts.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,328 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Agh so you admit now that the situation we are in today I down to previous governments inaction and not down to the current government🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    They'll be a footnote in history in a couple of years time. The Green scam is over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Industrial revolution is about ~1750 to ~1850 give or take. There are no widespread temperature records prior to the late nineteenth century, in fact wide-scale temperature records and today's meteorology only take off with the development of air travel (Met Eireanns biggest customer is Dublin Airport), there is an urbanisation bias in the much of the modern record. Outside of Europe annd the United States, temperature recordings are sparse. The oldest record is central England temperature (CET) dataset, that does not cover the globe. I pointed out the data used in the graphs are based on proxies.

    I'm not the person fudging temperature data to construct computer models. Valentia observatory started recording temperature data in 1869 at the end of the industrial revolution. It's one of nine rural sites that has long running data sets that have not been encroached by urbanisation. But how do you interpret that data? Take a look for yourself.


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    Take a look at what NASA has done to Valentia observatory data for their GISS V4 dataset. (making the past cooler) This is one of the datasets used in computer models. Even then the modellers like to depict scenarios, in particular RCP 8.5 or business as usual is used for press releases and widely sensationalised across the media. It's a fantasy modelling scenario, yet Irish media, and the talking heads they have on, will constantly use this as the basis to scare people showing Dublin and other places around the country underwater in future. These projections have no demonstrated skill at prediction, they must be called out at every opportunity for their ignorance.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    As the Americans say, It's not their first rodeo. They have been there a while often holding ministerial positions in previous governments and sitting on different committees and boards in the interim. What have they been doing with their time?

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Not really. Voters also associate idealised nature, bicycle paths and cute furry animals with the Greens. NGOs like An Taisce, are an arm of the Green party. They have been indoctrinating the public for the past 30 years and will continue. Most political parties have uncritically embraced "green policy". Quite a few people have tied the identity to "the cause" of global warming, they won't give up their faith easily. The challenge the Greens have to overcome is the energy crisis. The politicians at the top across the EU have dug themselves a massive hole in pursuit of the "energiewende", and walked into a trap with their eyes open. As much as those politicians like to use the Greens as the whipping boys, they have also willingly embraced this and since the greens have no representation in many constituencies, the voters will take out their anger on the sitting TDs. This is why we may see Eamon Ryan get hounded from the energy brief, if any one else wants to take it up.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    It's been said before- 93% of the population didn't vote for them.



  • Posts: 15,802 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I get the feeling you don't understand how our electoral system works



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    93% of people didn't vote green party

    How the system works doesn't change the facts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones


    Are you arguing that 93% of people didn't vote green or are you done?

    "Lol"



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