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F1 2022 thread - see post 1 for rules

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,494 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Alpine look like a joke shop, have a read of this...

    Can't blame Piastri at all here...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭thefa


    With the same hindsight, the lack of usefulness or necessity to Piastri tweeting has been highlighted. Called it at the time, the way he (and Alonso) left hinted at significant issues with management. Now it’s more understandable at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Someone’s head is on the chopping board at Alpine! Absolute clusterf**k all of their own making. I still think Piastri’s tweet was unprofessional (as was Alpines) but it’s clear to see the frustration he must have had with them was boiling over! Trying to strongarm him after he’d signed with McLaren didn’t help matters in the slightest either!



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Those two links above and the one below paint Alpine in a very bad light - they knew full well they didn't have a proper contract with him, repeatedly delayed sending one to Piastri and had been told twice by Piastri's team that he wouldn't be continuing with them. Then Otmar telling him in front of others that he would be racing for them next season when he had already been told that would not be the case - slimey behaviour that is. I had said his tweet was silly but knowing more of the details now - it wasn't silly, Piastri was forced to release it to counter Alpine's underhanded antics. As you say - they were trying to strongarm him into driving for them when they were the ones who didn't make it happen all along. No wonder Alonso left too.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah that's a good summary. I fear Piastri has been cast as an asshole in some people's minds and that is sticking even after the details emerge.

    I'll just see how he goes. He'll have a rookie season in a good team fighting for best of the rest this season (and would be winning that battle if Ricciardo were preforming decently).

    Rookies always make mistakes and need time to bed in. 2023 will be about being decent without too many mistakes and missed opportunities. 2024 will be his big test. It's not satisfying because we don't want to wait 2 years to see him in full flight, but thsts the reality.

    Even Max Verstappen was a bit of a headbanger for his first few years. He turned out alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    In the interest of fairness, McLaren didn't handle the transition from Ricciardo to Piastri all that great either. Letting Daniel tweet his commitment while the ink was still drying on Piastri's contract. Basically there's been f ups all round.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,459 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    Glad it's all sorted. Looking forward to seeing him on the grid in a relatively quick car -- back-to-back F3 and F2 championships puts him in the same world as Leclerc and Russell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Disagree. I think Ricciardo tweeted that because he saw the writing on the wall. He knew they tested Carlton Herta in an old car. And according to The-Race, he knew they were talking to Piastri but they weren't guaranteeing him a race seat for 2023.

    Ricciardo's tweet was telling mclaren he was committed to seeing out his contract and if they wanted him out, they'd have to pay handsomely.

    Mclaren comes out of this very well. They never sh1t talked Ricciardo's performances and they quietly went about replacing him without embarrassing him publicly or adding to the reputation damages done in the 2 seasons with mclaren. They now have a promising rookie for the next 2 years without violating any contracts and settled their bill with Ricciardo.

    Hard to see how they did anything wrong.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Hopefully by the time next season comes around all this will be forgotten and he'll be let get on with it. I'm hoping he does a Hamilton and has a great rookie season but know that's most likely not going to happen - Hamilton was well prepared for his McLaren drive at the time I think. Still, if Piastri is close to Lando in that first season that will be good enough - let's hope the car doesn't go backwards either.

    FP3 starting in a few minutes - I wonder will Sky get Otmar for an interview...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    So it has emerged that Piastri has informed Alpine he didn't want to race for them in 2023, and potentially knew he had signed for McLaren. Despite that they still put out a tweet announcing him as a driver.. Incredible. And Snfauzer was on about integrity in his interviews the past week. The man clearly doesn't understand the definition of the word.


    In response to this, Mercer stated that she was "the bottleneck" due to a lack of legal resources at the team.

    By March 2022, days before the season-opening Bahrain Grand Prix, Piastri did not have a contract with Alpine - either for his 2022 reserve driver duties or a race seat.

    Piastri received this contract through his lawyers on March 15th, with Mercer stating that this was "an emergency measure" with the season starting just four days later, and no reserve driver agreement in place.Without a contract in place, Piastri could not be granted a super licence for his reserve position, which Mercer was aware of.With no other option, she was forced into treating the Terms Sheet of November 2021 as a binding contract, adding the words "legally binding Heads of Terms" to the document. This phrase was not present on the original document sent to Piastri the previous year.



    My stance on the Piastri tweet has changed considerably since seeing those details of the saga. It was unprofessional, but considering Alpine's behaviour I don't really see it in a negative light anymore. I don't really understand how a professional sporting team with an annual budget of nearly €150 million doesn't always retain legal counsel. Even if they were in between counsel, hire external help to bridge the gap. A circus of a team behind the scenes, and not only badly managed, but it verges on gross misconduct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah being anywhere near norris would be a huge win for Piastri. 2 tenths off in quali and within a position or 2 in races (plus a few rookie errors) would be a massive rookie season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    McLaren don’t appear to be smelling of roses after all this either if the below thread is anything to go by

    https://twitter.com/sge_hou/status/1565774398056833025?s=21&t=TkLEY9shFvcP4r3ig-QjFg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭rock22


    I have to admit to reading this all wrong. More importantly , were Mercedes and Red Bull mislead as well.

    It seems that Alpine may have unnecessarily embarrassed Wolff and Horner. Both spoke in support of Alpine after Otmar Szafnauer's statement on loyalty and integrity.

    I cannot imagine either Toto or Christian are happy to find that Alpine had no contract with Piastri and they were apparently just trying to frighten off McLaren .

    To lose Alonso at the same time does suggest a badly managed team . A legal officer who had no time to deal with this contract from November to March also suggests a level of chaos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Always wary whenever "a source" gets mentioned.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭robinwing


    Ricciardo just stamped his premature ejaculation cert today by failing to get out of Q1 while Norris fought hard in Q3 . Piastri will be in that car in a few races time , Alpine will release him early for cash which McLaren will willingly pay. Danni Ric looked like a condemned dog in his interviews today. He confidence has plummeted. He is F1 history



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,494 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    This is a really good summary of the whole Piastri affair:

    Alpine seem like a joke shop. You'd feel for Ricciardo, my reading of it is that McLaren were hoping to have everything tidied up before any announcements but then once Alonso went to Aston Martin it all fell apart.

    I was thinking that Piastri was coming across as a tool initially, but sounds like he was totally in the rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,516 ✭✭✭rameire


    Who will be beside Russel next year?

    would Riccardo get the seat?

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    Indeed no - if I was team boss of a top team and had a seat to fill, Danny wouldn't even be a consideration tbh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203




  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 11,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Andrew76


    I read that Colton is 8 points short of that licence and presumably has no normal way of getting them for next season? Domenicalli mentioned the rules shouldn't changed to let him in either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Monza next.

    Alpine could sneak a podium. Car is good in straight line.


    Merc is draggy, Ferrari will go all Italian again (Sainz starting at back of grid)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,281 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Norris: 82 points. Ricciardo: 19 points.

    Norris had more than four times the points Ricciardo has.

    Ricciardo is getting battered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,163 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Why can't anyone say Alpine as it's meant to be said. They all say it like its Alpene but it's not. It's Alpine as in Pine..


    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,044 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    I've been pronouncing it "Wren-Oh" or sometimes "N-stone"

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Oafley Jones


    French team using French pronunciation shocker!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,635 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,281 ✭✭✭✭Jordan 199


    Monza this weekend. Some of my family are going to the race.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,179 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    Jacques Villeneuve is testing a 2021 Alpine at Monza - wonder what that's about? TV spot?



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