Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

How many drivers did you see with phones in their hands, on their laps, squeezed up to their ear?

Yes I was waiting for this too. Even mega celeb Ray Shah can't seem to stop the works.

Final straw for me driving the quays happened a few years ago. Loads of cars driving up the bus lane, and traffic was heavy. Asked Gardai in the car next to me if they could do something about it, and they told me it wasn't their job. I haven't driven that section of the quays since then. Too stressful.

It is not a nonsense argument. I have found numerous references online citing 400m as the ideal walking distance to public transport. Some reference 300m to a bus stop and 500m to a rapid transport stop such as metro or a dart.

In this case, they're removing 2 stops in the heart of North Strand and doubling the distance to 600m (586m and 592m to be exact).

I do not think that this is acceptable.

I’d see minimum two at EVERY set of lights.

It’s 400m between stops - walking distance to the bus route could be longer depending on the size of estates etc.

So why does best practice guidance disagree with that view?

The bus service is not just for you, it’s for everyone. That does mean stops at 400m or less, especially in the city centre.

People do have to walk to the bus route on top of the gap between stops.

I realize now on the plans for C2CC, that these bus stops are not included.

For stop 617 (inbound, between Strandville and Xavier), the plans show 3 car parking spaces where the bus stop is currently located. I looked at this multiple times and assumed this was still a bus stop.

How we can possibly contemplate replacing a bus stop with car parking spaces, so that people can park in front of their house while public transport users walk an additional 300m to get to their bus stop. Appalling.

It is clear from your message you don't know North Strand. All the side streets are perpendicular to the main road, there is no "direct line" to the bus stop. It is a complicated warren of streets within North Strand and most people live 2-300metres away from the main road.

I'm not sure what people are missing here. Recommended distance is 400m. Current distance is 300m. Planned new distance is 600m.

You don't need to be a mathematician is see that 300 is closer to 400 than 600.

Cars, taxis and buses bomb it through through the North Strand at 60km/h. Speed limit reduces to 50km/h just at the start of North Strand but few adhere to this.

Two of the pedestrian crossings are directly either side of the canal and do not offer much additional benefit. The pedestrian crossing at Springgarden is only on one side of this wide junction.

An ideal position for a pedestrian crossing would have been between bus stops 4384 and 617 (Bayview to Strandville).