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False Autumn 2022

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    I have seen leaves turn brown and fall due to too much rain after hurricane Bob in 1991 -


    There are always less considerate people who accept crude notions almost immediately and the newly minted 'false autumn' is among them, but then again, what some see as simple is really crude and always will be so.

    No doubt the Met Eireann forecasters will re-enforce the idea of meteorological autumn in a few days and by doing so will move the viewer further away from planetary dynamics which create seasonal variations such as the fall of leaves in Autumn. If people love nature enough and live long enough, they will appreciate the change in the shades of green leaves from their emergence in Spring as vibrant green, through summer until they take on a dull colour in Autumn before falling as yellow, red and so on.

    People who do things for love are likely to participate in a vocation while those who do things for money (professionals) are less likely to appreciate what is in front of them. It also means that few adults can discuss topics like adults and that, like planetary dynamics, is missing from the whole endeavour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Out here, Atlantic, island off Mayo, all is as normal as we have no deciduous trees.

    The blackberries are starting to ripen late August as they always do, and the elderberries, far fewer this year as the high winds decimated the blossom. are ready to pick, on time...

    and the rosehips are a splendour on the boundary hedge...

    All is timely.



  • Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The leaves are falling off the trees due to a drought. Who the hell cares if some people choose to give this the name 'false autumn'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,480 ✭✭✭highdef


    Met Eireann meteorologists will of course re-enforce the idea of the meteorological seasons as they are not astronomers so it makes sense for them not to push the idea of astronomical seasons.

    But I totally appreciate the change in the flora through the seasons, especially our deciduous trees. From the first green leaves of the trees, usually in late March or into April followed by beautiful greens onwards till around mid September. Then the leaves beginning to turn brown (during a non drought season) in the second half of September and into October. To leaves falling from the trees in October and early November, followed by the dormant period from around mid November to the following March.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    The leaves are falling off the trees because it is Autumn. The leaves come on trees in Spring so there is neither false Spring nor false Autumn, there is just the great annual cycle which trees live by and therefore the planetary dynamics behind that cycle.

    I can tell you what is really false and full of pretence. People who conjure terms into existence without the slightest responsibility for how they present those cycles-


    Society is incredibly ill when it comes to its perceptive faculties and yet the observations which relate the motions of the Earth to weather and climate are enjoyable, but in the company of those who manipulate observations (like the APOD nuisances), people experience neither the joys of existence and what makes it possible nor the horror which prevents genuine people from that experience.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,323 ✭✭✭pad199207


    So when the leaves were falling off the trees last month was it autumn?



  • Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm sure lots would find your posts false and full of pretence...For what it's worth, people generally stop listening when you start coming out with lines like 'society is ill'.

    A large amount of leaves have dropped very early this year due to drought and the trees protecting themselves. This is not a new phenomenon and has been caused by a drought. People are sharing photos and discussing it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    I have that gobshite on Ignore but I can still see his drivel when he's quoted. Please all ignore him so we don't have to put up with his nonsense anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402



    As this is information sharing at a higher level of consideration and with purpose, if this meteorological community is a sample of wider society then there is a blindness that is difficult to cure.

    The seasons, including Autumn, have a specific cyclical cause that does not answer to leaves falling, whether it is warm or not, whether it rains or not or some other extraneous feature. I noticed that you bypassed the NASA explanation which manipulates imaging to show a pivoting light/dark hemispheres off the rotational Equator because modelling using Right Ascension/ Declination demands it where there Sun moves South in Autumn and North in Spring using that monstrosity conjured into existence in the 17th century-


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    A 'false Autumn' only appeared a few weeks ago and serves no purpose apart from distracting from the dynamics behind Autumn and the other seasons. It is no wonder society is ill with 'climate change modelling' judging from the inability to know what is seriously bad from what is productive and enjoyable. Galileo was right and my testimony is even greater in planetary/solar system affairs than his testimony was-

    "I have heard such things put forth as I should blush to repeat--not so much to avoid discrediting their authors (whose names could always be withheld) as to refrain from detracting so greatly from the honour of the human race. In the long run my observations have convinced me that some men, reasoning preposterously, first establish some conclusion In their minds which, either because of its being their own or because of their having received it from some person who has their entire confidence, impresses them so deeply that one finds it impossible ever to get it out of their heads. Such arguments in support of their fixed idea as they hit upon themselves or hear set forth by others, no matter how simple and stupid these may be, gain their instant acceptance and applause. On the other hand, whatever is brought forward against it, however ingenious and conclusive, they receive with disdain or with hot rage--if indeed it does not make them ill." Galileo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭legrand


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    think I've just identified a certain poster here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    The 'false Autumn' claim is just a way of expressing the phenomena going on with the leaves at the moment. We all understand what it means so this undue criticism of the term is just a little bit overly pedantic.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    There are always those who are bound to declare the joys of nature in poem and in song for a better world and they delight me as much as the wet blanket of dire predictions dismay me as they should the true human.


    Pouring effort in explaining cyclical nature whether as the seasons or the cyclical dynamics behind it is a privilege and not a right, a vocation and not a profession. I hope young people learn this is instead of being perceptively stillborn with terms such as climate change, false seasons, sidereal day or some other misadventure with timekeeping common in our era.

    It is passion for what is true and creative that will bring humanity back to where our ancestors are not mocked or vandalised rather than exploiting weather and climate for lucrative ends. Enjoy Elvis and what passion feels like for those who can be inspired and inspiring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,480 ✭✭✭highdef


    If this meteorological community discussing metrological topics in a metrological section of Boards is causing you some mental anguish, why don't you got and **** (f.u.c.k) off to the astronomy section of Boards, where all all things astronomy related are discussed there which is right up your alley?

    Oh wait, your can't because you've apparently been banned from that section of Boards. I can't specify why as I don't know exactly why and it would be of ill judgement for me to speculate but if you could kindly make some effort to go back to that section of Boards, it would be most appreciated by the majority here in the meteorological section of Boards.

    The Mods here appear to do **** (f.u.c.k) all to monitor so it seems that this section of Boards has become a free for all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    It's pretty obvious the leaves changing colour and falling this early is down to lack of rainfall. They didn't change colour or start to fall early this time last year or most other years. I remember 2003 a similar thing happened, due to the hot summer that year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Agreed - it's a phrase coined up to describe an action which we observe, no different to how we say we "google" something on the internet, or we go down the shop to "buy a bag of taytos", even though you might pick up a bag of Walkers instead of the original Tayto brand!

    The reaction to the term "False Autumn" is a bit OTT and is borderline mirroring a reaction I'd expect from some woke Twitter handle on the rampage looking for offence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭Cumhachtach


    When the Elvis 68 Comeback Tour appears on a meteorological thread you know something isn't right. A thread about leaves falling prematurely. Talk of the youth being 'cool' and your planetary hobby being a vocation as opposed to 'professional' meteorologists naming seasons etc is surreal stuff. Very self indulgent posts, with yourself as some sort of visionary and everyone else idiotic.

    Orion I don't want to be too hard on you as I don't think you're well at present. Maybe time to look after yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭joebloggs32


    I was out walking this evening a stretch that I normally wouldn't. I was gobsmacked by the amount of leaves down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    The idea of meteorological Autumn as opposed to an astronomical Autumn is a fraudulent and disruptive as a 'false autumn' . The 'false autumn' term only popped into existence a few weeks ago in the UK to support stupid notion of climate change modelling and related hysteria.

    I see that no reader has come forward to determine when Autumn begins other than go along with the American classification where it occurs on the September Equinox whereas had readers followed the proper principles, they would discover that the Solstice and Equinox points determine the midpoints of the seasons.

    I don't want readers to be ashamed, I recommend discipline when acquiring pseudo-academic terms with no intent other than disruption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,323 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Indeed! White beam in particular here have nearly lost 50% of the leaves and the rest left on the tree are nearly all brown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    No; they were simply responding perforce to dry weather.

    We don't have strict seasons here in Ireland and this "early autumn" idea is indeed nonsense and a seeking after novelty... So we have infinite variety in seasonal weather



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    For a person who says he was still at school in 1992, you shouldn't take on a clinical demeanour. The love of Earth and solar system research (amateur) doesn't require that you are paid money to engage meaningfully in your passion (vocation).

    The Elvis video speaks for itself for that is what true researchers feels like when engaging their talents and gifts of expression. It is a protest song and you should listen to the words as it also has the passion of the soul flying above the doctrines of those who would make the world smaller and damaged for self-serving ends.

    I don't call people idiotic even if they suffer from inherited falsehoods from one generation to the next with a 'false autumn' just being another worthless phrase conjured into existence.



    The insanity of determining Autumn as the motion of the planet's divisor on an Earth with a zero degree inclination is the opposite of solar system and Earth science research which includes weather. No wonder students don't stand a chance of escaping your fate of being inspirationally bankrupt by choice. Unfortunately, you are not alone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    It makes life... interesting with its unpredictability, We never know what next.."infinite variety" is the spice of life



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    There was a time when men could talk of the seasons, including Autumn, in inspirational/spiritual terms as a journey. Whether it is St Francis who adored life and nature or Ruysbroeck * who put the seasons into terms of human passion as it comes and goes, we are here to serve life of humanity on the planet as opposed to misusing information on the planet to serve dour and dull convictions. People have forgotten how to read observations with heart.

    " * When the sun first begins to descend from the zenith to the nadir, it enters the sign which is called Virgo, that is, the Virgin, because now the season becomes unfruitful, as a virgin is. At this time the heat begins to grow less; and men begin to gather in, for use during the rest of the year, those ripe and lasting fruits which can be kept and consumed long afterwards, such as corn and wine and the durable fruits, which have now come to their maturity. And a part of the same corn is sown, so that it be multiplied for the benefit of men. In this season all the work of the sun of the whole year is perfected and fulfilled." Ruybroeck





  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Jesus!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Thank you. An extension and elaboration of my life out here. New to me so that is appreciated ...Will copy paste that post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    Men's idea about nature can be false but nature itself never is.

    It was the beginning of July when Anthony Murphy discovered ancient dwellings under the parched soil around Newgrange without having to create a 'false autumn'.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Re your last sentence. That is pretty true of many sections of Boards. I just came back after a while away and it is a different place..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    The world came to appreciate plate tectonics because a meteorologist stepped outside his discipline and put together a narrative that changed the way people looked at the geology of the Earth.

    "Scientists still do not appear to understand sufficiently that all earth sciences must contribute evidence toward unveiling the state of our planet in earlier times, and that the truth of the matter can only be reached by combing all this evidence. . . It is only by combing the information furnished by all the earth sciences that we can hope to determine 'truth' here, that is to say, to find the picture that sets out all the known facts in the best arrangement and that therefore has the highest degree of probability. Further, we have to be prepared always for the possibility that each new discovery, no matter what science furnishes it, may modify the conclusions we draw." Alfred Wegener

    Perspectives are not arrived at by excluding the incorporation of different disciplines and the Earth science of climate suffers most from this by excluding planetary dynamics. Appealing to moderators to narrow the perspective is self-defeating





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    :Language please... There is room for all ideas and interpretations in the subject.



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