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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    The issue is Americans. Us looking in see the entire system is broken. It's a clown show. Dem can't see that there just like Rep. Worst thing is they have Nuclear weapons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,020 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Don't remember the dems organising a coup from the top down, but sure as you said, both sides are as bad as each other /s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,609 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Was not removed from office.

    The fact he wasn’t removed from office doesn’t matter, he is still for the record a twice impeached former president, just like Clinton is a one time impeached president. It amazes that trump supporters can’t understand this concept. Donald trump was impeached and like Peter Jennings said on the ABC coverage of Clinton’s impeached, it will be a stain on his presidency for the rest of history, and that was just as the house was voting to impeach him.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,032 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The only thing holding them back is that they’re stupid fascists, for the most part. They haven’t the intelligence to really form a cohesive movement the way they could if they had a few intelligent leaders.


    Hitler, Himmler etc. we’re monsters, but they weren’t stupid. I’m not so worried about Trump, Marjorie Taylor Green or Matt Gaetz.


    If Ron DeSantis really commits to leading the MAGA movement, I’ll worry. He’s a lunatic, but there’s a cunning to him.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,609 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Except under oath Clinton was found to have committed perjury which was one of the articles of impeachment and the other article was obstruction of justice which trump did multiple times during his term in office.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,170 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    He made a last-minute payoff in relation to Trump university fraud. $25m I think it was. Surely that was the time for you to see that he was nothing but a con man.

    He has been convicted of fraud in relation to charities ad at present is forbidden from being o the board of a charity. That was probably a good time to make the call on him.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,494 CMod ✭✭✭✭Fathom


    Could team Trump argue that the act of moving dozens of boxes of illegal materials occurred before he signed his pocket pardon?

    One commentator suggested that Trump’s best defense was that he was not involved in such minor moving details and that his WH staff was responsible. And later when the librarians complained, this staff assured him that they took care of it. In other words, throw his staff under the bus.

    Plus, I doubt that Trump will be indicted by DOJ. Both Trump and Graham have recently warned of violence in the streets if they try Trump. There’s a lot of civil war chatter on the web accordingly. So as with the Russia Mueller investigation, and 2 impeachment’s, Trump will once again slip away and run in 2024.

    If Trump wins 2024, can CalExit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,650 ✭✭✭✭everlast75



    This is a ridiculous position to hold.

    The sole reason he has avoided legal ramifications for the multiple acts he has committed is because of the immunity of the office. That is the main reason he denied the result of the election.

    To tease out your logic, if he shot dead someone on 5th avenue, because he was not convicted while president, you wouldn't have an issue.

    Looks like he was right on that front after all.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    No.. and the main reason for that would be Trump and his big mouth ,as it nearly always is - the old saying of "only opens his mouth to change feet" seems to be a perfect fit for the guy.

    Karl Rove was on TV last week and said that the best advice for Trump would be to "stop talking and leave it to his lawyers" , which of course he has not done.

    Any defense of "Donald Trump didn't know" falls apart instantly because Trump has told us all that he knows about everything.

    He has repeatedly said that the stuff is "his" and they they "took it from him" etc.

    And aside from that there have been reports that some of the documents have Trumps hand-writing on them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,650 ✭✭✭✭everlast75



    "Dem can't see that there just like Rep"

    And we are back to posters being either delusional or disingenuous

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,469 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    The threat of violence or riots as Trump and Graham have alluded to are offset by the threats of jail as per the dozens of those at Jan 6th who have been charged/jailed, coupled with the huge negative reaction to the riots both nationally and internationally, and the lack of effect it had.

    If Trump is charged with crimes, there will almost certainly be trouble from some of the most ardent supporters, but I really doubt it'll be on the level of "riots", and I think the message from a lot of the GOP will be that it'll hugely damage their election chances nationally.

    It's a veiled threat from Trump and his acolytes, but as much as Jan 6th has shown what Trump's followers are willing to do, it's also shown that engaging in those actions can ruin your own life, and Trump will not give a f*ck about you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,650 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    One commentator suggested that Trump’s best defense was that he was not involved in such minor moving details and that his WH staff was responsible. And later when the librarians complained, this staff assured him that they took care of it. In other words, throw his staff under the bus.


    Problem with that is

    a) his handwriting is on the docs and

    b) he didn't, and continues to refuse, to hand the docs back.

    He is claiming they are his. How on earth can he "blame the staff"?


    Plus, I doubt that Trump will be indicted by DOJ. Both Trump and Graham have recently warned of violence in the streets if they try Trump. There’s a lot of civil war chatter on the web accordingly. So as with the Russia Mueller investigation, and 2 impeachment’s, Trump will once again slip away and run in 2024.

    I can't tell if you're being serious here or not.

    "Chatter online" does not constitute grounds for letting someone away with breaking the law. It is a ridiculous idea that the threat of violence can circumvent justice. Charge him, let the crazies come out, and then arrest them, just like they continue to do with Jan 6.

    As for him running in 2024, it is a fanciful dream unfortunately. I would dearly love him to.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's willful at this stage.

    The GOP are openly trying to subvert democracy and threaten violence on their opponents on a daily basis. They have no interest in Justice or fairness , they only want victory.

    Democrats are guilty of naivety and delusions about how things work. They have focused on the wrong things in terms of the big picture and the long game repeatedly. They still believe that Washington is where the most influence can occur, the GOP have long recognised that in the US , this is not the case.

    There is a reason that schools boards have become the battlegrounds for the GOP recently - They see it as a way to create/control their future voters , just like they have focused on State/County level offices for years to facilitate the control of the electoral process.

    The Democrats have stood by and watched while this is happening.

    The rules of democracy are being removed from the bottom up by the GOP and the Democrats have allowed it to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,650 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    They both have their flaws, but to suggest that their flaws are in any way comparable is utter and absolute nonsense.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Oh absolutely..

    The Democrats are naive idealists peppered with a few corporatist shills.

    The GOP are fast becoming a Christian Nationalist party peppered with a few proto-fascists who want to install their version of (what would be anything but) benign dictatorship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,650 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He is spiraling pretty fast in recent days.

    He's absolutely working on firing up the morons to take to the streets if charges are brought forward.

    He doesn't care about what that might mean for them or the country as a whole, he just sees it as a way to save himself.

    He will burn the whole place down trying to save himself and there are far too many idiots around that will cheer him on while he does it.



  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Got to keep the short bus crowd fed, they get distracted easily



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 967 ✭✭✭Detritus70


    The MAGAts are just in the process of transforming into Mussolini style Blackshirts. Their job will be to terrorize opponents of Trump and, very importantly, create general mayhem and spread fear. Thankfully they consist of a lot of cranks, idiots, malcontents and lunatics.

    If these people were even the slightest bit better organised, they could really create a lot of chaos and Trump would blame BLM and Antifa for it. He would then promise to clean up this mess if elected. It worked for Hitler and it worked for Mussolini. One can only hope that by dint of his general laziness, incompetence, arrogance and ignorance, he is so self-assured that he thinks everything is going AOK for him. His worst qualities are, to us anyway, his best qualities.

    The other good thing, he had the momentum in 2020. And for the reasons outlined above, he failed to fully cash in on the situation. My feeling, should he run in 2024, he won't succeed either, because he missed the crest of the wave. This truly was The Revolution of Stupid.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,979 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    This truly was The Revolution of Stupid.

    It's the followup on the 'revenge of the simple' that Taibbi wrote about 6 years ago. As much as Taibbi isn't the most popular, he knows TFG supporters. And he knew Bush II:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,577 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I totally agree that Trump doesn't really care about the stability of the country vs. saving himself from jail, but if he creates enough chaos, he's still in danger. He'd better have a 'bugout' location ready or else at least have a safe room in Mar a Lago.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It's hard to know what will actually happen.

    Other than January 6th when Trump himself attended and egged them on , any subsequent attempts to "take to the streets" have all largely been damp squibs.

    It seems that all it takes to hole them below the water-line is for someone to suggest that the event is a government scam to facilitate mass arrests and then no one turns up.

    I have no doubt that there could be multiple isolated dangerous incidents where small groups of cretins try to shoot up a government/FBI office or whatever , but I struggle to imagine that the MAGA's would manage to get to something as widespread and large scale as the BLM marches/riots in 2019 for example.

    They truly don't strike me as remotely cohesive and organised enough to actually deliver on their own.

    However if Trump directly organised a protest outside a court house or something , then all bets are off.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,577 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If it gets to the point where the gathering is actually about clashing with government forces, then I don't think mass arrests would be a deterrent as such. The deterrent, then, would just be the idea of getting in a physical fight with trained law enforcement and/or military personnel. In that type of fight, a lot of the pub talkers who exist in the alt-right side of things would be as much a liability as anything else, and they wouldn't show up anyway, leaving only a hardcore of angry men with big beards to play martyr.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    I genuinely am at the point where the only way this madness will stop and people will wake up is if one of Trump’s idiot followers actually kills a sitting Congressman or Congresswoman.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,577 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Oh, that would be quickly rationalised by the conservative U.S. media. They'd just need a little time to find a cohesive angle that wouldn't get them sued somehow.

    Meanwhile, on Telegram and 4Chan and everywhere right-wing trolls hang out, the killer would be hailed as a hero (or else called a victim of Antifa mind control. Or something.)



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Agreed, It would be explained away like any other shooting in the US - by avoiding the blatantly obvious reasons for its occurrence and deflecting like crazy

    The individual would be labelled mentally ill and the "insane liberal media" would be blamed for pushing them over the edge.

    "Just an ordinary decent god fearin' American pushed over the edge by what's happening to his beautiful country"

    Or failing that - "It's a radical left Antifa false flag event"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,577 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Just a selection of talking points from those channels that have 'news' in their titles but aren't legally news, and who look right down the camera with a serious face when giving their opinions, but they're really just entertainers who don't necessarily mean what they say, especially when what they say provokes a lawsuit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    5 minutes in, Zuckerberg . . . the FBI came to us . . .

    Then Top FBI agent resigns amid claims he shielded Hunter Biden from probe: report

    Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. I suspect Mr. Thibault has been made fall on his sword to save his upstairs bosses. This is Watergate level stuff.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    This bears absolutely no resemblance to "Watergate" whatsoever.

    So far what we have is a comment from Zuckerberg that said "the FBI came to us" , to which the FBI responded , "we go the the Social media companies all the time about possible mis-information". So we still don't know if that means anything at all in the grand scheme of things.

    Then we have unsubstantiated reports that an FBI agent resigned or was fired for something to do with their handling of the Hunter Biden laptop while also managing to shoe-horn in a whinge about some Social media posts that weren't nice to Republicans (they managed to drag in Peter Stzrok and Lisa Page into that segue).

    This might be something or it might not.

    For a start we still don't know if the Laptop has anything actually legally actionable on it.

    We know that Hunter Biden is currently trying to make a deal regarding Tax issues , but so far nothing tangible has come out about the alleged contents of the laptop.

    So the FBI guy might be guilty of suppressing damaging information that wasn't true or that may not lead to any kind of prosecution.

    BTW - Nice use of a story from a week ago to deflect from the current conversation about Trumps latest public tantrum.



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