Russia - threadbanned users in OP

This for me is an important point, I.e. ceasefire:

1. It's now a war of attrition, it will only stop when the money runs out, its a stalemate.

2. The areas Russia currently holds, no one in their right mind would want, its NI all over again

3. The current sanctions against Russia are of a benefit to noone in Europe.

While I disagree with Russia holding Europe to ransom over EU policies, its time to call a halt to this nonsense, give the EU time to ween themselves off Russian gas/oil and Ukraine not inherit a horrible NI scenario.

Winter is coming, there will be protests across all of Europe due to gas/electricity prices, its time to put a stop to this.

And what are your acceptable terms for Ukraine to surrender?

Well you seem to think Ukraine should just give up and talk to Russia, who have said they won’t stop until Ukraine is wiped off the map.

So hmmmm seems you’re saying there should be negotiations we’re asking you what these might consist of.

You think Russia can be trusted to negotiate with?

Thank god the schools are back this week….

Still here

This is seriously weird, you're all concerned about your fellow Europeans being inconvenienced but not so much about your fellow Europeans being used for heavy weapons target practice. An Irish angle might have been believable but this is beyond bizarre.

European consciousness has, more or less, shifted to the realisation that the Kremlin no longer has a tangible concept of what truth actually is, or under what circumstances it should be acknowledged. You seem a little late to the party.

Ok, come back when your gas bill is 2K in Febuary.

Lots of lovely sentiment here, but come winter when we can't even afford to keep our families warm this will change.

The current progression or lack thereof in this war is nonsensical.

It is not for you me or anyone on this thread to decide what Ukraine should do. We can just give our opinions on the matter, thats all really.

So nobody on this thread will be causing anyone in Ukraine to bleed blood, as you suggest.

Now as far as I can see, it seems that Ukrainians want to fight for their freedom rather than become another puppet state like Belarus. It is a horrific scenario for all the innocent lives being lost in Ukraine right now, and I dont think anyone here wants to see that continue. However I think most would support their decision to fight the facist invaders to keep their freedom and quite rightly would be glad to see Ukraine winning on the battlefield.

Yes it is all going to hurt us in the pocket and may do for quite a while, many are willing to accept that if it means supporting Ukraine against this unjust invasion.

I agree completely with this, I'm not some Putinbot, the simple fact is is that the EU has become so dependent on Russian oil and gas that the current situation is unsustainable.

Don't blame Putin for gas/oil prices, blame the EU States and their stupid policies to give Russia so much power.

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The EU don't have a good record of resolving anything other than punishing non German/French countries, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

As well as that heavy coat for all in the family, lump in good bicycles for the family in urban areas and for rural areas several pairs of shoes to walk the 4-5 Km to the nearest shop.

So What's the plan for peace in Ukraine,

So you're saying it's a game of chicken, with European lives at stake when it comes to heating in the winter, honestly don't know how to respond.

Your gung ho attitude would change if you had a family to heat on gas during this winter.

So let's see what happens when families are on the streets because they can't pay their bills.

There's one big problem with your argument. What if Ukraine refused to go along with any peace feelers that the Western powers might want to instigate and continued to resist the fascist invaders? That would be 100% their right as a sovereign, independent nation.