Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

If anyone in Ireland says they act the same at a sitdown meal in a restaurant versus drinking pints in a bar -> then they are a lying weasel. And that trumps a dog on the street.

A total nonsense? Nope. It's from the BBC \ ONS data:

Another issue is the ageing population. The headline excess deaths data does not take into account the fact that there are now more older people. This may be responsible for more than half of the excess.

So to state it takes a decade or more it without merit or foundation.

We need to see excess death figures adjusted for the demographic changes since the baseline was established - and the baselines goes back 5 years. That applies to all demographics.

Then account for covid deaths & the impact of long covid.

Then account for local factors like heatwaves.

The remainder is what needs explanation.

I would then suggest we need to account for the 'harvest' effect whereby vulnerable people have taken extreme precautions and many types of viruses (eg flu) have been suppressed for 2 years and society is now fully reopened.

And also that where 1 spouse died or was debilitated from covid, this could affect the life expectancy outcomes of the other spouse.

We needed ventilators. To suggest otherwise is utter nonsense.

Among the reasons the worse case scenarios didn't play out was because of lockdowns \ restrictions & also voluntary shifts in behaviour in response to those projections. We also need to factor in that the early information from China was not reliable.

On the economic front... our economy is practically on a ventilator?

Is that a scientific or economic opinion?

There's a war on in Ukraine, haven't you heard?

We await your 'scientific' or 'economic' explanation of how that's not affecting the economy and it is all due to covid hangover.

Heatwaves affect excess deaths, are you seriously suggesting otherwise?

Data from the Office for National Statistics shows on the days with extreme heat - around half of the days during July - deaths rates were more than 6% higher in England than they were on other days.

There's things other than Covid going on in the world, like a war between Ukraine and Russia, two key countries for energy and food production.

To talk about inflation in a post without mentioning that war is utterly disingenuous.

But that would distract from your faux-hysteria about Covid.

Where did I say it was the reason for all the excess deaths?

If you are concerned about credibility... how about backing up your deliberate misrepresentation.

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I have no idea what I posted. I think I had something saved from a few weeks ago and it must have posted when I looked into the thread.

One needs to be cautious in giving too much oxygen to AZ and their CEO with their chequered past on the vaccine. We have now moved COVID jabs to annual flu' vaccine status and we do have enough data to see the risk of both in certain demographics.

Boosters announcements don't mean that people will take them and the anticipated decline in take-up of subsequent boosters was well flagged up to 2 years ago on these threads. It will eventually hover at about flu' levels of 25%-40% of the population.

Who is talking about median age? Not sure why you would focus on such an inexact single data point.

It's the percentage of people over 65 and especially over 80. A small increase there can have an outsize effect on excess mortality.

If the BBC is a 'propaganda' outlet, I think you need to take a step back and question how you got there.

This is what the ONS says:

• The five-year average for 2022 has been provided for 2016 to 2019 and 2021. This moves our five-year average along by a year but does not include the exceptionally high number of deaths seen in 2020. This is so that deaths in 2022 are compared with a five-year average that is up to date (rather than 2015 to 2019) while still being close to representing a usual (non-coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic) year
• Age-standardised mortality rates (ASMRs) are used for comparisons over time rather than numbers of deaths, because ASMRs account for changes to the population size and age structure.
• Accounting for the population size and age structure, the age-standardised mortality rate (ASMR) for deaths due to COVID-19 increased significantly between June and July 2022 in England (from 14.0 to 32.6 deaths per 100,000 people) and Wales (from 12.9 to 36.1 deaths per 100,000 people).
• The year-to-date (January to July) ASMR in 2022 was significantly lower than most years since our data time series began in 2001 (except for 2019 in England, and 2014 and 2019 in Wales) in both England (944.3 deaths per 100,000 people) and Wales (1,019.3 deaths per 100,000 people).

Hopefully the media here will awaken from their Covid slumber and the sooner the better! I am sure we are in a worse position with what went on here as lockdowns / restrictions here were treated with such religious fanaticism. Such draconian policies which had huge consequences should never ever be implemented without proper scrutiny!

Slowly the Dam is leaking:

In England and Wales excess deaths began to increase noticeably from around the end of April. For 14 of the past 15 weeks, around 1,000 extra deaths occurred each week, none of which are due to covid. Number of non-Covid excess deaths will soon outstrip covid deaths this year (2022). This is according to Prof Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, Oxford University.

This year excess deaths should in facet be below average as people who would have died this year from old age and natural causes, died in the past 2 years from covid. Covid accelerated the deaths of elderly with comorbidities - people who under normal circumstances we would expect to die now. Excess deaths due to covid for those demographics have been recorded and reported many times in the mainstream media. The fact is that unexplained excess deaths occur in all demographic groups: 0-24, 25-49, 50-64, 65-74, 75-85 and 85+.

Once again, aging population has nothing to do with it.

Remember the asymptomatic testing centres?

They'd set up a tent in an area for a week and tell people to Only go here if you have no symptoms. They'd queue up like donkeys in long lines 2m apart with masks on while outdoors.

Absolute face and money making racket

Exhibit A: