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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    “@ manisasia “ don’t have a gap between the @ and the name. @maninasia



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The article is based on hearsay, you are inciting violence on the back of it.

    Not a great look, and well within the boundaries of "weird".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭maninasia


    Thats clear, the tenancy laws can make things tricky



  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I already know factually that 3 newly built social housing (at last count) were handed over willy nilly to Ukrainians in this town, so why are you questioning that a full estate wouldn't be too.

    I have been reading that newspaper for years and it's honest about local issues. Maybe you're just not used to that.

    Anyway not how I want to spend my Sunday so 👋👋👋



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I never said the newspaper wasn't honest, I said the article was based on hearsay.

    I already know factually that 3 newly built social housing (at last count) were handed over willy nilly to Ukrainians in this town, so why are you questioning that a full estate wouldn't be too.

    Unverified anecdotal "facts" from an anonymous poster on the internet.

    I doubt you believe everything you read on the internet, you hardly expect me to?

    Either way, inciting violence is not a good look.



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  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are you sure that those houses were social ones and not private owned, given by generous owners to house Ukrainians on a short term, charitable basis?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I'd be pretty sure they don't exist, primarily because this wouldn't be the first time we heard of them if they did.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The reason I queried it is that many people I know have offered houses for a shortish term, between 6 and 12 months, out of the goodness of their hearts. Some posters and even Mods have done similar. Some might consider these to be social houses, unaware that former tenants had bought out their houses, moved on to bigger and better and rent out their former homes.

    The homes causing ire in Kildare are modular homes and not suited to long term habitation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,169 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I hear this a lot that modular homes are not suited to long term habitation. Is that actually true? I would imagine the design and standards of these is pretty good.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They’re supposed to be only for short term usage. Having said that, some Prefabs, built in England after WW2, supposedly for short term use are still habitable today!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Modular homes or bricks and mortar, regardless of construction, should be offered fairly to those on a waiting list. Be they Irish, Afghan, Somalian or Ukrainian. Top of the list being looked after next and so on. If refused, back to the bottom of the list.

    I'm sure many families that can't even boil a kettle in their hotel rooms would dearly love a modular home, even on a temporary basis, than nothing at all.

    I know for a fact that there are single young men and women, in their early 20s, staying in a small hotel on the outskirts of the city here. In the centre of retail and plenty of jobs on offer. They are there since March. They sit smoking all day on their balconies, with their Ukrainian flags on show, and drink all night in the hotel pub. These young people should be turfed out to tents at this stage. €200 PW since March would be a sizable deposit for a house share at this stage.

    The unfairness of the whole situation is staggering. We're p***ing our way through finances, cost of living is soaring, and it seems like everything is so random with everything in this country right now.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do you think that the Erica Flemings and Maggie Cashes of this World would accept a modular home as a foreva home?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    It's not the length of the stay that's the issue. It the materials used in construction after 10 years odd start to degrade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    If they don't, back to the bottom of the list and move along. Until things are dealt with fairly and evenly, no matter where the people come from,then we'll keep getting people who are picky. And to be fair, there seems to be plenty Ukraine type Cashes around too!!

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,355 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I am absolutely sure that many homeless would queue up and be thrilled with a modular home

    Erica Fleming was not representative of all homeless people .

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,169 ✭✭✭jackboy


    I am very surprised at this. I wonder is that a myth? Why wouldn’t they last for many decades.

    Edit: I just looked this up. They should last for decades so are suitable for long term habitation.



  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wonder did Erica get the drafty windows sorted. As for the bould Mags, where is she now? Not in her Dublin foreva home anyway!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl




  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I don't. I don't see why there should be any difference between childless men/women. Naturally, those with children and dependents/elderly should receive priority, but I'm not a big fan of the sexism that exists when women are placed ahead of men, just because the expectation is that men should stay behind to die for their country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,355 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    You are right . I should have included single young women in that of course. Its not right that young people with no children or dependents are in hotels while elderly and babies are in tents

    Someone should be in charge of allocating places according to need



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  • Posts: 16,208 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So, what is it. Simple rural cabins or emergency military bases? And I expect that forward supply depots probably cost an enormous amount of money to build and kit out. And, neither of ye answered about medical care - on-site hospitals at these fancy military bases? How much will that cost?

    Cost? I have no idea, however, likely it's still cheaper that taking luxury hotels and 3/4 star hotels in Dublin, closing them off from customers and assigning them to refugees for 2 year long periods. But you might want to bear in mind that military bases are designed to be put up quickly, be efficient, etc. Without the military requirements, and just the civilian requirements, the costs would likely be far lower than what a military venture would cost.

    As for medical services, they'd have the same access as any Irish person. What? You think Irish people have immediate access to medical facilities? Jesus.. you really want to provide everything to Ukrainians. I'm guessing you live in Dublin, and have little understanding of the kind of medical services available to the rest of the country, especially those available to rural areas.

    Further, they can only leave the bases if they're 'self sufficient?' Please describe - can they take the bus to and fro? Can volunteers drive them? What about free or donated bicycles, which are common at the hotel set up out here.

    I assumed you meant to leave the area, and live elsewhere. Hence the idea of being self-sufficient. That seems obvious enough, so I can only assume you're throwing up objections because it doesn't fit with your own idea of what should happen. Hence all the bizarre questions you've just asked, like as if an alternative view is the most unreasonable thing possible. Perhaps consider how such an idea could work?

    And, so you're promising military bases now? Get back to us in about a year once that's sorted.

    Nope. I suggested using the skills of military engineers, in establishing prefabs or modular buildings, which are a relatively cheap answer along with being very quick to establish. The government took plenty of land during the NAMA period, which could be allocated to such a plan.

    You really do love to jump to extremes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Definitely getting a sense of folk getting a bit sick and tired of the Ukrainians getting housed ahead of our own people out and about in the real world from talking to people. Won't be much solidarity left come winter 😥



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,160 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    You’re getting a sense from talking to other people that they agree with you… I for one am shocked.

    How much solidarity do you reckon there is between the people who share your views? Because it doesn’t appear as though there’s any solidarity now, and especially not among the people they claim to be advocating on behalf of - community groups, students, homeless, etc, cos all those groups appear to be benefiting from Ukrainian refugees here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,522 ✭✭✭enricoh




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭US3


    Cheapest hotel in Dublin for 1 night next month is €600. Madness. Absolute madness. Only going to get worse I presume if all the folks in student accom are getting moved to hotels.

    None of these problems are Ukrainian peoples fault it's our government but it's inevitable that people are going to turn on them when it reaches tipping point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,160 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Born and bred here man, point I was making is that people surround themselves with other people who share their opinions. It really shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone, regardless of where they’re from, Ireland, Ukraine or anywhere else.

    It’s why I asked the other poster had there been much in the way of solidarity with their views, because from where I’m standing there didn’t seem to be any real solidarity, just a few upstarts, in a country of 5.1 million people… just to put that in perspective.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    That's odd, When I moved to Ireland I did not get to chose who lived next to me. Is the property market based on people's opinions ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,160 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    Ahh, that’s because you weren’t here already, you’ll go wherever you can get… blow-in 😒



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Thought the old xenophobia was frowned upon. 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,160 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack




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