Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

27-08-2022 04:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529353#Comment_119529353

I haven’t posted any videos. I think you’re confused? No idea what you’re on about I’m afraid.

27-08-2022 04:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119528759#Comment_119528759

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529558#Comment_119529558

I should have clarified. It was another poster, about a page back. A guy went into a Ukrainian “hub” in Cork that was giving stuff away free to Ukrainians only. An interesting video. Worth a look.

27-08-2022 04:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119528647#Comment_119528647

The faux shock and outrage is sooooo contrived.

I suppose the tourism sector is only worth €9.5 billion to the Irish economy!

Why would he need to know this anyway... he's only in charge of facts and figures for this country.

TaurenDruid · 27-08-2022 04:50PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529170#Comment_119529170

No, 'Hamachi', just looking for some context. I mean, seeing as you're calling people out for not helping, even though they do. We might drop the 'scare quotes' around people's names, though - it's a bit passive-aggressive. It's an internet forum. Everyone's using a pseudonym. I'm not really a Tauren, for example. I'm actually a Pandaren.

TaurenDruid · 27-08-2022 04:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529418#Comment_119529418

Thanks for that. Your first post was just the advert, no context. So yes, I assumed the worst, and jumped to the wrong conclusion, that you were taking a pop at Ukrainians trying to hire someone. My bad, mea culpa, and my apologies.

After a couple of weeks of seeing posts from people "vomiting" when they hear of people getting help, or who keep on saying "it's only a little bit of Ukraine that's being attacked, the rest is safe!" or having an aneurysm because people with decent cars also happen to be refugees, I sometimes get frustrated. Which is no excuse.

TaurenDruid · 27-08-2022 05:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529547#Comment_119529547

It's not the public service that have made a shambles of the pledges, or who promised full social welfare while also in a hotel with 3 meals/day. It took literally several months for the Red Cross to get back in touch with us. It only took the Gardaí a week to send back my clearance after the RC finally sent us the forms.

27-08-2022 07:10PM

Seriously, I have heard it all. This is nothing short of disgraceful and what the FOOK are this government doing to us. A turn key development that was meant to be given over to local people on the social housing list has now been given over to Ukrainians. ALL SEVENTEEN HOUSES. But according to a lot of posters on here, this was not happening and they were only ever in temporary accommodation. Get real!

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Subzero3 · 27-08-2022 08:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530317#Comment_119530317

That's sickening, absolutely shocking.

This country is an absolute joke. I hope the locals dont let this happen. If they let this pass we may aswell give up

Suckit · 27-08-2022 08:15PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2022/08/27/preference-for-ukrainian-refugees-leaves-asylum-seeker-accommodation-at-breaking-point/

The Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth has received a large number of offers from businesses and individuals to house refugees in recent months.

However, the majority of these are unwilling to accept asylum seekers from other countries, officials told The Irish Times.

“It doesn’t matter if it’s a State body, a private body, a religious organisation, a sports organisation, it’s always the same response: ‘We’ll only take Ukrainians. We won’t take international protection.’ It’s absolutely everywhere, at all levels,” a source said.

I wonder if the money that the Government are throwing at them could be used to fix the situation.. 🙄

27-08-2022 08:19PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530565#Comment_119530565

Correct and Right Subzero. The locals may kick up hard over this. The lack of empathy and respect for the citizens of this country from the Government is utter disgusting but sadly not one bit surprising.

mcsean2163 · 27-08-2022 08:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529897#Comment_119529897

The red cross should not have been in charge. Public sector failed. End of

TaurenDruid · 27-08-2022 08:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530642#Comment_119530642

Agreed that the Red Cross should not have been in charge. The Red Cross are not public sector.

TaurenDruid · 27-08-2022 08:56PM

Two pints and a packet of crisps, there, "Hamachi". Cheers. Or maybe you could Google all that stuff Cece was asking for yesterday?

fun loving criminal · 27-08-2022 09:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530317#Comment_119530317

People should show up there and prevent them moving in. Show up with a few homeless as well.

xxxxxxl · 27-08-2022 09:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530721#Comment_119530721

I can imagine all the headlines now. Right wing groups ascend on refugee accommodation. No mention what the houses were for. 🤐

27-08-2022 09:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530721#Comment_119530721

Unfortunately, it may come to that, due to the chronic mismanagement of this entire situation. It’s not good for the local community, nor is it good for those fleeing conflict.

Clearly, tensions are starting to boil over in some communities. It’s inevitable when those who are ostensibly in charge, are utterly rudderless.

TaurenDruid · 27-08-2022 09:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530767#Comment_119530767

Ironically, "Hamachi", that's pretty much exactly what I said to Cece. Also ironically, it's my posts that tend to have a URL at the end showing where I've gotten facts and figures from, whereas the anecdotes and bullshit the anti-Ukrainian crowd spew are almost always entirely unsourced to anything reputable.

Subzero3 · 27-08-2022 09:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530785#Comment_119530785

It doesn't have to be any left or right wing groups.

Just Irish people who have been shafted by the government and NGOs.

This is a scandal.

fun loving criminal · 27-08-2022 09:27PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530785#Comment_119530785

If this happens where I live, you bet I would be showing up. I have my name on the council list since last year and almost became homeless at the beginning of this year but thankfully found somewhere to rent. But there's homeless families everywhere and it shouldn't be happening that Ukrainians are getting everything handed to them including social housing. Enough is enough of this mess.

27-08-2022 09:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119529219#Comment_119529219

Uhh. you have any facts/data/anything-at-all to back this up? Because there seem to be many constructions going on as we speak throughout the country.

Most construction is by private companies selling to the public. Are you going to point to massive investment by the government in developing Ireland as a result of the Ukrainian crisis? Really>?

So what? The last election was... 3 years ago? And again, you can contact your TD to express your opposition. This government only does referenda when it affects the constitution. This was an emergency situation and speed was necessary. I mean, i realize you begrudge these refugees having come here, but they have. When the next election happens, feel free to vote for candidates you think best espouse your views. It's how democracy works, good and bad.

The usual answer. And a deflection, considering what I responded to. Perhaps you should reread your own post, and then consider what I wrote?

As for the next election, when all the major parties are singing off the same hymn sheet, it makes little difference who you vote for. Anyway, they're under no obligation to follow through on their proposals, and can do whatever they like after the election.

And no, I don't begrudge the refugees coming here. This is the usual BS answer when posters find someone disagreeing with them. I have many posts on the thread being supportive of the refugees.

"Ukrainian adventure..." more emotive nonsense from you. Like it's not being taken seriously. "Adventures" overseas usually involve going to war. This is allowing in and providing for refugees. Not an adventure. Why are the supports "overly" generous? Would you want to live on them?

More emotive nonsense? What were the first bits? It's an adventure due to the incredible and unprecedented promises made by the government on behalf of the Irish people. It's an adventure due to the lack of resistance or attempts to negotiate with the EU over our obligations.

As for what I'd like them to live on, well, they can be measured on the same standards that Irish people are. If they're receiving free accommodation, then they don't need to be getting the higher amounts, do they?

I am sorry the refugee situation has inconvenienced you so badly. I think Ireland will be fine, as Boggles pointed out, the money is out there.

I'm sorry that you react so badly to people disagreeing with you. That you feel you need to attempt this kind of nonsense. I have stated many times on this thread, that we should help Ukrainians as refugees... my problem is the how, not the why.

I do agree it's not close to done, 8 months is probably the minimum it'll take. I'd be surprised if things stabilize before next Spring.

That's optimistic. Ireland won't stabilize in terms of Ukrainians here for a few years. We're going to retain, at least half, of those already here after the conflict has ended. Considering our governments history with deportations, I seriously can't see them pushing Ukrainians to leave, even after peace is obtained.

27-08-2022 09:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530820#Comment_119530820

I’m sorry to hear that. I’m fortunate not to be in that position personally, but I can empathize with how antagonizing it must be, to be a local resident waiting years for housing and then being leapfrogged as a result of this unsustainable influx.

The view that I’ve held consistently is that we should offer sanctuary to those fleeing conflict, but it has to be commensurate with the resources available and should never be to the detriment of Irish citizens.

Unfortunately, we are currently saddled with a political class, who appear determined to shaft the electorate. I guess that’s all you can expect with people of the ‘caliber’ of McEntee at the helm.

27-08-2022 10:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119510275#Comment_119510275

Thats entirely wrong, many irish who emigrated in the past, hundreds and thousands of us are all back home.

Ash.J.Williams · 27-08-2022 10:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530721#Comment_119530721

I don’t have any homeless on me

Gen.Zhukov · 28-08-2022 12:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530791#Comment_119530791

...whereas the anecdotes and bullshit the anti-Ukrainian crowd spew are almost always entirely unsourced to anything reputable.

You see, this is where you completely misread the room. From what I can see, there is no anti-Ukrainian crowd. There is however, an anti-weak government crowd and rightly so. The govt are completely at fault here, not the Ukrainians. The main problem is, this weak pussy government have screwed up. They don't want to be seen as having screwed up (again), so they're just ploughing on through.

I can see the massive cock-up this weak govt has made, unlike you. You seem to be taking the 'bloody fascists everywhere' angle.

Ask yourself this - where are the govt/FG supporters that infest the C/A forums on politics and post on a 24/7 rota? Nowhere to be seen on this one. Nowhere. Way too hot to handle - (that's a coordinated lack of involvement imo and it speaks volumes)

Suckit · 28-08-2022 12:50AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119531394#Comment_119531394

It is well known, and has been stated many, many times. It just suits some peoples narrative to have xenophobes, or any form of bigot arguing with them, but when it is pointed out to them that the 'pro-Ukrainians' seem to be far more bigoted or racist, they can't see that. Many are also just pro-government, so being right or wrong doesn't matter, as long as they back them.

xxxxxxl · 28-08-2022 01:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119531493#Comment_119531493

They cant see the issue most were welcoming at the start then the wheels came off. Most rational people as soon as they heard no cap alarm bells went off.

mcsean2163 · 28-08-2022 03:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119530693#Comment_119530693

Yes. Red cross are not public. That's my point. The government made the commitment and should have taken charge with the red cross feeding into that effort if appropriate.

xxxxxxl · 28-08-2022 04:13AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119531645#Comment_119531645

For my view RC have experience in setting up camps triage centres but not getting housing in a private market. doomed to fail.

zell12 · 28-08-2022 07:19AM

“All of the proposed areas throughout the country experience high levels of social and economic deprivation, and the under provision of public services and lack of housing,” said Sinn Fein TD Ryan.

“There is a need for a community dividend for these areas, and there is a concern that growing levels of homelessness and pending evictions in the areas where the modular units are being proposed could generate conflict,” she predicted.

https://www.kildarenow.com/news/home/895750/tense-meeting-in-newbridge-county-kildare-over-controversial-proposed-modular-homes-for-ukrainian-refugees.html

https://kildare-nationalist.ie/2022/08/23/td-critical-of-lack-of-consultation-on-60-modular-homes-for-refugees-in-newbridge-and-rathangan/

Subzero3 · 28-08-2022 07:42AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119531743#Comment_119531743

Would love to see MLMc or Pearce come out and back her. The papers will try to cancel her but glad someone is reading the room.

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