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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I mean if gas prices are so high and feeding into high electricity prices .... how the **** is charging an EV so **** cheap compared to essentials like running an oven/fridge/electric heater etc... Running an EV is 4x cheaper than powering your home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12


    that's what happens when governments around the world attack the farmers and throw them off their lands....people go hungry



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,895 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The problem is if people in the 1st world go hungry due to lack of food that means the 3rd world have had a seismic famine.

    If your bread, milk and free water doubles in price, that takes up a small fraction of your income (even ~€200 social welfare) if someone in the 3rd worlds bread, milk and water doubles in price.... well they are fucked.

    It's a global market, worst come to worst, the 1st world will always outbid the 3rd world for food.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Not if you depend on import from third world. That is precisely what is being proposed by the greens with their attack on carbon and new attack on nitrogen. A recipe for disaster when you bankrupt your own food industry only to offset food production to third world countries which then promptly ban export as soon as some local problems start. Then 1st world change to 4th quite fast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    I wouldn't believe him atall. He only saying that due to the markets going crazy for the last few months thinking this is all going away. When it all goes pete tong, heel fill the printer with ink and away we go again even if inflation is still at 4-5% and bail out the big guys. If this happens then we're in a total fake economy that rigged for the institutions and could likely face hyperinflation down the line.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Jonnyc135


    That's what's gonna happen in the next few years. The fertiliser crisis is literally going crazy this time last year fertiliser plants were reducing production and stopped production in November for awhile due to gas price. Gas price are now 200% more than that, myself and father are trying to buy most of our needs for next year now and store it in shed as word around is that I could be 2000 a ton next year and that's if you can get it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,398 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Some people always relish the notion of an upcoming recession and fantasize about how it will be the "downfall" of Western civilization and other hyperbole. I'm sure a recession is coming and that this winter (and likely the next) will be pretty rough.

    However "end times" and dying of starvation? Not so much. Perhaps a slight dent in the number of luxury SUVs that clog our roads and some protests.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 888 ✭✭✭bb12



    Globalist utopians demand that we fall in line with their "cure" for climate change. Dr Jordan B Peterson explains why the goal of achieving net zero emissions by 2050 is absolutely preposterous.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,976 ✭✭✭enricoh


    When not if for blackouts this winter, FFS someone really dropped the ball the last few years on this.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/blackouts-fuel-rationing-and-a-return-of-2-a-litre-at-the-pumps-41940906.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭Shank Williams


    I don’t relish anything.

    I have a very comfortable lifestyle, good job, holidays , etc. I’d love for it to keep going to the end of my days- it’s not going to.

    there is nothing on the horizon to replace all the various ways we depend on fossil fuels to run our society and feed 8 billion people- so when fossil fuel supply as it is now becomes an issue a lot of **** will hit the fan.

    this was happening before the Ukraine war that has just exacerbated it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the future is looking good for renewables and nuclear, so carry on, you ll be grand!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,985 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Even his own Department think Ryan is living in a fantasy land:

    Environment and Transport Minister Eamon Ryan’s recent RTÉ interview raised eyebrows within his own department.


    Mr Ryan complained about newspapers printing details of “dramatic scenarios”.

    “We expect to be able to supply the power that this country needs in the next two to three months,” he said.


    One source said the fact he did the interview in the first place was surprising.

    “He wants to talk about renewables. He doesn’t want to talk about the risk to energy security that is unfolding as we speak.

    “But his officials are certainly very concerned about energy security. They have a path worn to the Department of the Taoiseach.”

    How the Greens, who represented 7% of the vote from those who turned out at the last election (just under 63%), and who represent less now based on the polls, have been given such influence and control over key national policy at a time when the country is facing blackouts and fuel rationing is frankly scandalous.

    We learned nothing. The warning signs were clear from their last stint in office (propping up another unpopular Government), but this time they've really set us up for very hard times in the name of their deluded fantasies and ideology.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...and ff in charge of housing portfolio, the list goes on and on and on......

    ...talking about catastrophic failure......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ah its clearly obvious that an over reliance on global fossil fuel markets is simply too dangerous now, its more than likely these markets will now remain too unstable, and too unpredictable, to play a vital part in our energy supplies, we have to bring this back towards ourselves, it can be done, but theres virtually no will at the moment to do so, the coming winters are going to be detrimental to us, and hopefully enough to kick start this urgent requirement.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It`s green cult thinking. Like any cult it`s not meant to make sense, just followed without question.

    Last year in Ireland electricity demand grew by 4%, electricity supply from renewables dropped by 17%. Electricity demand as opposed to generation has been on a knife edge for years, flagged by both Eirgrid, the CRU and anybody that cared to look. The green solution was ignore any of that and plow on with unreliable intermittent renewables while pushing to add 1 million EV`s to demand at a cut price rate and increase demand even further by pushing heat pumps.

    Their policies on food production are every bit as wacko. Threatening to walk out of government if they didn`t get their way on reducing cattle numbers in Ireland "for the good of the planet by lowering emissions" while Brazil alone are planning on raising their herd numbers by 24 million.

    They are a cult that when it comes to policy the qualification for input is that you were either mitching from school or out behind the coal shed the day "sums" were taught.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭brickster69


    280 billion in support up to now from European governments towards the energy crisis. Thing is most of them are using up that Covid grant scheme.

    ireland.jpg


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    feels like the corroborate gas field on went live, how is it nearly empty?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    small field, and demand has been rising since its opening, we dont have enough fossil fuel reserves for our needs, no point reopening fields or opening new ones



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    If there were magic money trees that would be fine, but as there aren`t then it is time to prioritise which will give the best value as a reliable dependable source with low carbon emissions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If Fields will provide a reasonable level they should be opened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    once again, money is always magically created, in both the public and private domains, we have just decided one of the 'best' ways to use this money is (re)inflating asset prices, rather than using it to create new assets such as new property and new energy creation assets etc!

    we really need to get over this limitation in money thing, there isnt, and we prove this to ourselves time and time again, i.e. wide scale covid supports globally, and endless war supports! theres no money limits, just bullsh1t human behavior in what its used for!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    they dont, we simply dont have the reserves, millions, possible even billions would be required to do so, and those reserves would be used in a very short period of time, i.e. it makes no financial sense to do so, its time for us to move onto the alternatives, i.e. renewables and nuclear.....



  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This guy again. It’s been posted over and over. The guy’s a crank….couldn’t give two hoots about the people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    a crank and by the sounds of it, a fcuking arsehole to....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    There are fields in Europe that should be exploited.


    Nuclear may even reach a point where electricity is so dear that it is economically feasible.


    Certainly renewables should be ramped up, but there is problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,560 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    We don’t know as Eamon Ryan won’t release any exploration licences for Irish waters and refuses to grant a licence to barryroe where there is an unknown amount of gas.

    Please stop spreading false information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,560 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    The companies spend their own money doing the exploration and then building the infrastructure.

    The government allow them to recoup the costs of this from the profits they make by selling the gas/oil.

    Please stop spreading false information.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,771 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    the era of fossil fuels is over, its time for us to grow up and be adults about this, its over!

    yes, the greens are right, it truly is time to move on from this, we probably have a fair idea of whats under the ground, and whats not, there has been generally studies done over the decades, if it was worth it, these fields would have been already exploited. opening such fields makes no sense what so ever, exploiting finite resources, spending millions to do so, that makes no sense what so ever!



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