Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

True, but the CFO of the Trump ORg pleading guilty to fraud is. And as Trump always claims, he was the brains, he made the deals.

There are two options. Either Trump knew about what the CFO was up to and therefore is implicated, or he didn't know and never suspected anything.

Option 1 speaks for itself. Option 2 means Trump hasn't a clue what is going on, isn't able to control his own companies and staff, cannot understand the information presented to him and has no ability to understand risks or see potential issues.

Which one are you going to pick?

Russia my have interfered, China may have interfered, Iran may have interfered. But the idea that Trump colluded with Russia to get him elected is a debunked conspiracy theory aka “a hoax”.

Why are you still beating this drum? So what if he did or didn't at this point. He made sure the GOP avoided ever holding him to account, he got in an AG that lied in his summary of the report so as to make it look like there was no case to answer.

But again, so what? Is it that you believe that he was unfairly treated? That a POTUS shouldn't be held to account if it is even suspected that he conspired with a foreign country to alter the outcome of an election?

None of that gives him the right to continue to try to steal an election he lost. None of that gives him the right to try to bully state governors to make up votes for him. None of that gives him the right to allow the insurrection to happen and do nothing to stop it. None of that gives him the right to debase the democratic system of the country. He faced an investigation and was found not to have a case to answer. Happens to people everyday. He is not some special put upon person.

But even after all that, what you have is clear evidence, and accepted by Trump himself, that he stole classified documents and failed to give them back even when they were requested. Do you not see any issue with that?

Edit: just seen the mod note

It's not a myth. It's a lie.

A lie that idiots wish to believe in.

Senator Graham has lost his latest attempt to avoid giving testimony before a grand jury as a federal judge denied his application. The senator tried to persuade the judge that his conversations with Georgia state election officials about the Georgia vote result loss for Trump was part of his senatorial duties but the judge was having none of it.

It seems that Trump's legal team basing its application to the judge for a special master to review the documents is around it's reading of the 4th amendment on the rights of home-owners to be protected from improper search and seizure. In a statement he released in conjunction with the legal team's move, Trump is also contending the use of a warrant by the FBI was not needed . His statement includes this claim: “This Mar-a-Lago Break-In, Search, and Seizure was illegal and unconstitutional, and we are taking all actions necessary to get the documents back, which we would have given to them without the necessity of the despicable raid of my home, so that I can give them to the National Archives until they are required for the future Donald J. Trump Presidential Library and Museum.”

It's been mentioned in media reports about communications between Trump's team and NARA that one of the lead Trump team members [one tasked specifically with Comms between the two parties] published a letter from NARA that puts a hole in Trump's story-line as it clearly contradicts what trump and Co have been claiming is the truth about his possession of the documents in question.

In other news, Kevin Priola, a Colorado State Senate senator, has changed his party affiliation from the GOP to the Dems yesterday, citing the Jan 6th Capitol event as the reason for switching party allegiance. Looking at Colorado State voters results for the Presidency, it seems it voted GOP from 1920 up to 2004 when it swung to the Dems for the past 4 Presidential elections, incl Bidens 13.5 margin, the first double-digit since Johnson over Goldwater in 1964. I haven't gone looking for the stats on US Senate and the US House of Reps. It has also increased it's voter numbers with an increase in [collegiate] electoral numbers from 6 to 10 due to an increase in population. I don't know if there are stats available on Colorado voter ethnicity AND if it might come to affecting voter party choice.

Another one Trump got wrong. The jury at the kidnap and explosives trial of two men - Adam Fox and Barry Croft Jr - accused of plotting to kidnap Michigan Gov Whitmer two years ago has convicted them on the conspiracy to kidnap charge and found them guilty of conspiring to obtain a weapon of mass destruction, namely a bomb to blow up a bridge and stymie police if the kidnapping could be pulled off at Whitmer’s vacation home. Croft, 46, a trucker from Bear, Delaware, was also convicted of another explosives charge.

The jury in an earlier trial couldn't reach a unanimous verdict in the spring. As for other defendants in the larger case, NBC News’ report added that two other men were acquitted and two more pleaded guilty and testified for prosecutors.

Earlier this month, Trump appeared at a far-right gathering and went further. “[T]his thing they did involving Gretchen Whitmer was fake,” the Republican said to applause. “Just like those who instigated January 6. It was a fake deal. Fake. It was a fake deal.”

The judge hearing the case about revealing the affidavit used to provide the grounds for the Mar-A-Lago search warrant has instructed the DOJ to release the redacted version he's approved of by 12 mid-day today. The affidavit apparently has the words "uncharged persons" included amongst witnesses who provided details of the presence of the documents found in Mar-A-Lago.

Using those two words can seem to imply that there are persons in Trump's Mar-A-Lago home who may have been contacted by the DOJ and may have an offer made to to them to give testimony against Trump in exchange for a lesser or no prosecution. However unlikely as it might seem, the use of the words might be a bluff to put the **** up Trump and make him come to the table for a deal with the DOJ himself. It would avoid a trial which most would be happy with, incl people in the senate and congress of both parties. It would have to include Trump's signature before notaries which he could not wriggle out of, deny or call fake, however much he wants to shout "witch-hunt".

Another thing is the import Trump put into getting his passports back as they should be needed for any foreign travel. It's noticeable that Trump cancelled his visit to his club here in Ireland, making it plain the court case is taking all of his interest now.