Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

Laurel Hubbard is probably the worst example to use in arguing any sort of scaremongering about men in women’s sports. For starters it’s a niche sport for women, and Hubbard was selected from a tiny number of athletes the national team could select from, and their record was well below a number of better athletes in the sport already. It was more of a combination of factors than just the idea they could lift, let alone the idea they were ever in contention for a medal. As it turned out, when the time came, they fluffed it and failed to qualify for the next round. There were no records set and no women were beaten by Hubbard.

Should a half decent trans athlete ever be heard from, there’s still no guarantee of anything, because there are no guarantees in sports. The “World’s sexiest athlete” (still can’t get over that title 😂) was a shoo-in before the semi-finals, came last. It’s nothing more than confirmation bias to suggest that an athlete won anything because they’re transgender, ignoring all other factors which contribute to the outcome.

Merely repeating the assertion doesn’t make it any more a fact than it wasn’t the first time.

You’re right, I don’t suggest there is no point in campaigns for women who are victims of domestic violence. And as for this bit -

As in some peoples world they are equal so should be able to defend themselves just like the male counterpart.

The kind of people who come out with that crap are generally just looking to wind people up. They’re not interested in women’s welfare and will quickly turn every thread when women raise the issue of violence against women, into whataboutery and how men are the REAL victims, and sneer that women want equality so their attitudes towards women are justified, as if that’s what any woman who is campaigning for women’s equality is suggesting.

Whether men are bigger or stronger or whatever else than women is irrelevant in terms of either domestic violence or sports. You’d have a point if men were committing violence against women because they’re bigger and stronger than women, but if you’ve any experience at all in the area, neither being bigger or stronger than the victim is required to commit domestic violence. It’s also not required in sports where there are often physical mismatches between opponents, and that still doesn’t guarantee the outcome you’re expecting which is based upon your belief, not facts.

I’m not being crass either when I point out that the example of domestic violence isn’t a great one because there’s no suggestion that anyone solely by virtue of their physiological traits or characteristics, is predisposed to violence, let alone the idea of committing violence against another person, let alone the idea that they would only be interested in competing or being involved in women’s sports in order to intimidate, harass, physically or sexually abuse women… there are plenty of coaches, trainers, managers, officials, sponsors and governing bodies involved in sports that do that already, regardless of their physical characteristics. It’s their attitudes towards women is the issue, not their physical characteristics.

I’m aware of one or two people representing various organisations who have made similar claims as you’re suggesting alright, and yes, those people are wrong, and they are spreading fearmongering and paranoia in the hope that anyone would actually take them seriously. Very few people do though.

Wall of text with no substance as expected.

It would appear we’re both having difficulties in deciphering each other’s posts in that case. At least I’m trying and not blaming you for it.

Why are there very few if any campaigns of female to female violence. Dress it up any way you like but there are very few or none due to the fact there is no guarantee of the other person not getting the upper hand on the attacker.

Because very few people start them, that’s why. It’s not rocket science. The people who start campaigns for victims of domestic violence against women perpetrated by men, are generally women who have been the victims of domestic violence themselves, perpetrated by men.

Simple fact in the case of male on female violence there is very little chance of injury. You would have a point if males were attacking women just cos of a violent nature. But increasingly we see women using coercive control on males or physical abuse, as the male is non violent and does not want to injure the partner.. No one in a domestic setting bar substance abuse is more violent than the other. It's the physicality that's the issue. My partner for example would not get the upper hand on me bar me being asleep my simple physicality would not allow it. And I'm a really nice person and would not attack anyone. Don't have violent thoughts anything like that. 

So we either accept males are larger and stronger or. Try and suggest all warning in relation to men are all men are Violent. Wich is it.

Men being larger and stronger has nothing to do with anything. It’s entirely down to the attitude of the perpetrator towards their victims.

We can only use the examples from the Olympics from the few trans women who have so far competed at the Olympics. Contrary to what you say though, weight lifting is not a bad example. It's the sport with the third highest performance difference between men and women, in the graph below.

Which explains why it's not at all strange for a middle aged man to take up the sport, perform at a moderate level, then transition to a woman and even with testosterone suppression, compete at the Olympics. Even to reach Olympic qualification standards is an achievement normally.

Not sure why you're saying me and another poster have 'confirmation bias'. We didn't do the research, so it doesn't matter if we state the conclusions up front before citing the research. If you think there is confirmation bias in the research, take it up with the people who did it.

Tell that to the weightlifter who didn't get to represent their country at the olympics. You have a middle-aged person who had not lifted in more than a decade able to easily beat the other women in her weight category. that is unheard off. Do you think that going through puberty as a male gave her no advantage?

Accusing me of confirmation bias isn't going to achieve anything.

I knew that much already 😒

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Tell that to the weightlifter who didn't get to represent their country at the olympics.

What kind of a bitter, sneery, miserable cnut would anyone need to be to do that?

Oh I know there’s people of a certain type of mindset who would gleefully look to stir shìt like that because they’re just that sort of miscreant, but I’m not one of ‘em. It’s like the sort that’d whisper in the ear of a person who’s homeless or a student, that Ukrainian refugees are taking their places. You really think I don’t have experience of people who, when I didn’t get a promotion I really wanted, they ignored all other factors and put it down to the successful candidate being a woman? I’ve told people like that get the fcuk out of my ear, because I’m not a bitter, spiteful cnut.

You have a middle-aged person who had not lifted in more than a decade able to easily beat the other women in her weight category. that is unheard off.

What’s actually going unheard in that sentence is that they’re transgender. Changes the context significantly when you leave it out, almost as though you’re deliberately trying to mislead anyone to suggest that restrictions on athletes who are transgender are justified.

Do you think that going through puberty as a male gave her no advantage?

I reject the fundamental premise of your weasel-worded question. It’s like asking does being a mincing twink powerbottom give them an advantage over ‘the str8-acting masc’ about to shatter his pint glass to pieces cos he can’t even get a match on Grindr? No, it doesn’t, the real answer is they’re just not uptight assholes.

It wasn’t implied, it’s just not there, much like the evidence which is being used to justify restrictions on transgender athletes which doesn’t include transgender athletes - it’s just not there.

The evidence which is being used in no way relates to athletes who are transgender. It has no scientific validity whatsoever. It’s not that I’ve decided it’s irrelevant, it’s irrelevant because it’s not testing for what it claims to be testing for in order to determine whether or not transgender athletes should be restricted in any sport.