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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The frontlines have been mostly static for two months now, especially since Sievierodonetsk fell. I think both sides have had their military capability degraded to such an extent that large scale advances are going to be very hard. That's the simple reason why we've seen no breakthrough.

    I think we could be in stalemate for a long time yet (I am thinking in years, not months now). Neither side seem to be interested in negotiation, and neither side look like they will get the capability to strike a knock out blow anytime soon. It'll be hard for either side to build up and arm new forces to take the initiative anytime soon.

    The situation doesn't look good for Ukraine. They have the people to fight, but where are they going to get the huge quantities of modern, useful weapons that will enable them to win? Total military aid to Ukraine so far has been about $50 billion, all it has done so far is slow the the Russians. I think to win, they probably need something in the region of $500 billion, maybe even a trillion plus. There's no indication that anything near that level of support is incoming.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's no indication of support stopping.

    A lot of the West have pit their reputation on the line Do you honestly see a situation where the West goes... 'nah, can't match Russia economically let's let them have Ukraine' and create uncertainty about other geographical areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,713 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Ehh. He's obviously an awful person. "Heart" is one thing I believe he lacks. If he dies, the world's better off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,047 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,713 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    You know better than the former commander of the US army in Europe? Seriously? He's saying Russia's defeat is 'inevitable.' He's way more familiar with Russian military capabilities than anyone on this thread. He's even stated that Crimea will be returned later via diplomacy.





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    The aid provided to Ukraine is miniscule compared to the investment the Russians have put in to their military over the last 10 years in their supposed 'remodernisation'. And it has done more than slow them down, it has ground them to a near halt, and shown them up to be a pale imitation of what a western military would be. That $50b roughly, is the best investment the west could every have made against the Russians. And to be honest, I don't think it would take much more to make a major swing and sent the Russians back to Moscow. The west has provided weapons to Ukraine, but they have provided small quantities within a very narrow framework of what they could possibly have done. Could you imagine what this war would look like if the shackles were removed?

    Wake up in the morning to 150 F16 or Gripens in the skies above Ukraine, 200 Abrams or Leopards rolling across the fields, no limits on HIMARS missile range, long range guided shells for those M777.

    It would be carnage.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,047 ✭✭✭jmreire


    No, I doubt it, in the beginning, Russians were losing many fuel trucks simply because it was clear that they were actual fuel trucks, then the Russians decided to build canopies over the fuel tanks to try and disguise them. So then the Ukrainians hit all Russian transports... no matter what they looked like.

    I'd say that time wise, the Ukrainians had only a small window of opportunity to hit the bridge. Would have been the dream shot to hit the bridge and the convoy. I reckon that convoy will be hit at some stage in any case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    They have not taken ANY town or villages in about 6 weeks now and lost likes of Dovhenke which is probably nothing more than a pile of ashes by now

    anyone who says otherwise is welcome to backup their claim

    aside;


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    You are welcome to offer any evidence of advances you claim after listening to some random we on YouTube



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    War correspondent on the ground in Ukraine or a guy posting from his mammies box room. Umm, who to believe.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭Darth Putin


    So are you able to post any proof at all to backup statements of Russian advances in last month or so?

    It can’t be that difficult, instead you have resorted to childish remarks



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    A chemical attack at least doesn't result in a retaliation in kind back at Russia which a nuclear attack almost certainly would.

    It would likely draw direct military involvement from Western powers though, in addition to far more money and arms for Ukraine if nothing else. Would also add another few decades to how long Russia will be left out in the cold from the world's economy once this is all over, regardless of how many extra layers we all have to put on to keep warm through the winter without Russian gas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones



    It could have been internet hacking warriors Anonymous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭paul71


    I listed serious to less likely possibilities, but certainly not the ridiculous. Do feel free to add something (when you have something).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones



    Is it plausible to hack a vehicle ecu? It could have been an electrical car and the batteries were exploded.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    How many experts of note cropped up during Covid, experts that knew far more about virology than the armchair bod on the street, who were forecasting either the Black Death or a mere sniffle? No doubt there are other military experts that will say damn near the complete opposite to him. The main difference as far as the same bod on the street goes is who do we want to believe going in.

    IMHO he's smoking crack if he thinks the Russians will give up Crimea anytime soon, diplomatically or no. Not without regime change and a shift in the average Russian's mindset that sees Crimea more than anywhere as "their land" and has been egged on over the last decade and more to see it as such by the same regime. Driven back to the pre invasion borders is a very long shot too. Not with what Ukraine has at her disposal now. Plus the Russians have been busy with their rabid imperialism consolidating and russifying Donbas, installing their own people, supporting Donbas separatists and killing, "relocating" and driving out Ukrainian nationalists, many of whom understandably fled their murderous march.

    The Russian military has been shown to be a joke in many ways. Claiming their utter failure to take Kyiv as some sort of tactical feint is of the highest quality copium for their supporters. Hell, on twitter I have noticed their fans have now gone from claiming the Ukrainian military are a joke that will fall in days/months to now saying they were the best army in Europe because of NATO's support. More copium. If there were a few battalions of Brits or French in country the Russians would very quickly know about it.

    The other card they can play is to call a "ceasefire" when they see things going more badly for them and using it to consolidate further. Zelensky won't want that and I wouldn't either, but the economics and optics of his support among the allies could well mean he'll have to suck it up at least temporarily.

    Keeping the Russians bogged down along the current frontline, driving the Russians back from Kherson and over the river, even getting close to Mariupol I can certainly see and Russia has zero chance of taking, never mind keeping much more than they have taken so far. Russians and their sympathisers who reckon they'll eventually take half of Ukraine are smoking even more craic with high power blotter acid chasers.

    Again in my humble and I've reckoned this from very early on is that Russia will take and keep a large chunk of Donbas. A Donbas that will be a nightmare for them and the inhabitants for years. The Ulster Troubles on steroids and it'll bleed Russia badly. And though it's a bitter pill to swallow for Ukraine and the world who supports them I'd currently say leave them to it. If Ukraine were magically handed those areas of the Donbas back tomorrow they in turn would be dealing with Russian separatist insurgency for years too. Look at the clusterfúck it's been for them and the inhabitants of Donbas over the last decade when they did control it and direct Russain support was more nudge nudge wink wink.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭paul71


    I sat back back and saw your earlier contributions here without comment. You were ridiculous then and I decided not to engage. This time I am putting you on ignore. I am sure you mean no harm but you really do post awful garbage.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    A randomer on youtube who supports Ukraine and has done since the get go and has been on the ground since the get go too and who has no love for the Russians or what they've done and continue to do. One reason why his request to the Russians to report from their side was flatly turned down. Well they only want mouthpieces for their bullshít. Any journalists I've seen reporting from their side are farcically obvious as far as their allegiances go. Now we have seen similar with some western reporting of course, but the major difference is that we've also seen reporting of Ukrainian screwups and dodgy stuff. Never mind that pretty much any journalist can show up to Ukraine and be let in to report. I've not yet seen any indpendent western journalist get access to the Russian side.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Batteries don't explode. They can rapidly burn like bastards and if you're trapped in one it's not good at all as has happened, but they don't blow up and fire bits across a wide area like we saw in this case.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,713 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    How many experts of note cropped up during Covid, experts that knew far more about virology than the armchair bod on the street, who were forecasting either the Black Death or a mere sniffle? No doubt there are other military experts that will say damn near the complete opposite to him. The main difference as far as the same bod on the street goes is who do we want to believe going in.

    Irrelevant to the discussion. War's is more straightforward than virology and this guy really is an expert at war.

    IMHO he's smoking crack if he thinks the Russians will give up Crimea anytime soon, diplomatically or no. 

    He didn't give a timeline about Crimea, just that Russia'd be back to the pre-24 Feb boundaries by the end of the year. All he said is he could see them leaving Crimea under a diplomatic agreement. I could think of some - go back and we'll lift some sanctions. I think there's a chance this may happen but diplomacy can take years. I can see a 'Cuba/Guantanamo Bay' settlement where Russia gets to keep its base at Sevastopol but otherwise, everything else on the peninsula reverts to Ukraine.

    His main point is, give in to Russia and they'll keep it up. So, they have to be stopped, and more arms support for Ukraine is how.

    He raised a good example, he said something like "The Russian Black Sea fleet is hiding on the other side of the Crimean peninsula, afraid of Ukraine who don't have a navy." This is another reason why he thinks Ukraine will prevail, they've balked the vaunted Black Sea fleet, sunk it's flagship and routinely cause mayhem for RuSSian fighter ships.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    The Germans advanced all the way to Stalingrad in 1942 making huge territorial gains in a relatively short time. Look how that turned out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,728 ✭✭✭storker


    "The famous Russian Black Sea fleet is hiding on the other side of Crimea from a Ukrainian navy that doesn't exist."

    😁




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,399 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    The Russian army is on the verge of collapse IMO. When the collapse comes it will be rapid. The Ukranian army has not deployed there tanks yet. While their tanks have limited use in modern warfare compared to NATO tanks they are still a serious option if the other side is fored to retreat. It would be a bit like an old scale battle where when a battle was over the calvary entered the fray and caused a complete rout of the retreating enemy.

    At this stage militarily the Russian army are scraping the bottom of the barrel for equipment. It may not happen before the end of this year but it will happen.

    The Russian artillery is now virtually useless as there gun barrel's have nearly or perhaps even over used there shell load. Any tank at the front is at its 1k hour factory overhaul limit( I always wondered why the NATO had so many trucks and trains for carrying tanks). They have never managed to gain air superiority.

    Another factor that will come into play is the Ukrainian troops being trained by different NATO nations. The UK is training 10k alone, the US as many more if not more. It's a 120 day training schedule. I think France is training some as well and I imagine the rest of the NATO countries( especially the former eastern Bloc) are training groups of 500-5k. This could see a 30-50k NATO trained battle group arrive on the battlegrounds in the next couple of months

    When these troops are unleashed along with more NATO technology they are trained in the ''game is up '' for the Russian army as a manager of mine use to say.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Irrelevant to the discussion. War's is more straightforward than virology and this guy really is an expert at war.

    This is the same guy who claimed back in March that Russia was ten days away from running out of military resources? Some "expert at war". He's changed his tune more often than a coked up DJ. Remember how many claimed similar? And how many including on this thread were ready to believe them? When it was so obviously utter bollocks. Again it's down to who we want to believe.

    I've repeatedly said Russia lost this war the second they crossed the border. They completely screwed up the run to Kyiv and the northern attacks generally. They underestimated Ukrainian resolve and feelings and fighting capability and the response of the western allies. They(and most everyone else) overestimated their troops and ability to supply them. And yep their Black Sea fleet is a joke. Their airforce incredibly lacklustre.

    So they ran away from the north and Kyiv and concentrated in Donbas and the south where they had more support among locals and had been directly fighting there since 2014 and have more direct supply lines. They took and are so far holding the landbridge to Crimea. They have Donbas for all the good it'll do them long term and they're picking away extremely slowly along the front, but they are picking away. How much of the same front have Ukraine taken back. Bits and bobs too? This is long haul dogged stuff here. Russia's blitzkreig fell on its arse, so it's down to throwing lumps of metal at Ukrainian positions and it doesn't look like they're running out of the "dumb" artillery stuff any time yet.

    Unless something changes radically like western allies giving more than they have been by way of long range stuff to hit them hard behind the lines and cut off their supply it's going to remain dogged back and forth slugging on the ground.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,618 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Shockingly bad job faking that ID, they're either badly incompetent or actually sending this message: we did it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,079 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If the lie was plausible, believing in it wouldn't be a test of loyalty.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,047 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Russia is falling seriously short of manpower at this stage....soldiers who have managed to make it back home are bringing horror stories back with them, and not just about the deaths and injuries, but their rotten treatment at the hands of their own officers, failure of the military / Govt to honor bonus and salary contracts etc. When they have reached the stage where they have resorted to freeing criminals who "volunteer" to fight in Ukraine, to the recent report of Nth Korea sending 100'000 troops to fight for Putin, thats pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel ( not to mention recruitment centers being bombed) If Vlad could have mobilized, he would have done it before now, the fact that he hasn't means he is unwilling to take the risk of an uprising within Russia itself. Apparently he has enough stocks of munitions to keep up the shelling for several years, but if he has not got the manpower to use the artillery, that's not going to work either. And that's not taking into account the condition of all this ammunition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,399 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    While he has loads of shells, artillery barrel's for the guns is the issue it seems

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭zv2


    There's a lot of trolls on Twitter saying the west is losing interest. This is just propaganda to demoralize people.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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