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Connacht Team Talk Thread VI - Some like it TOH

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    Leaving in Galway for Sharks

    1) Buckley

    2) Tierney-Martin

    3) McCoy

    4) Fafita'a

    5) Dowling

    6) Boyle

    7) Oliver

    8) Butler

    9) Blade

    10) Carty

    12) Daly

    13) Farrell

    11) Wootton

    14) Porch

    15) TOH

    16) Heff

    17) Burke

    18) Beal

    19) D.Murray

    20) D.Byrne

    21) W.Reilly

    22) H.West

    23) Mallon

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Adam Byrne at 15? He's never played there. I think we need to make something of Aungier this year and he needs to start as often as possible. Finlay will surely be given a month off to compensate for the NZ tour. Same with Mack and Bundee. Heff hardly played, Cian did but he's a workshorse, would probably turn down a break if offered one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    He played there as a young or cover man (23), I do think he has more chance and abilities to get past TOH rather than compete with Porch, Ralston, Wootton, Hansen and so on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    It all depends on Porch IRL

    If he's seen as FB like 20/21 season, Byrne should absolutely play 14 and will have gametime when Hansen is in IRFU program

    If he's seen a right-winger like 21/22 season, Byrne will have basically no gametime there and should try to move contested TOH and unproven McNulty as FB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    There’s 0 part of the game that porch is better than Adam byrne at, his defence is pathetic and he’s not better going forward. He should however be favoured at 15 over toh who’s best rugby is well behind him. The main issue in the back 3 is at 15 and mcnulty should be given as much game time as possible as its likely porch will be out the door with friend at the end of the year. For byrne he should be our second choice winger behind Hansen and if he can stay fit may even reach hansens level



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    :(

    Porch is either good or briilant

    made defensive mistakes but an absolute starter for Connacht



  • Posts: 2,519 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Incredible story in fairness.

    Always thought he was a very tidy scrum half too, just unfortunate with repeated injuries forcing him to retire relatively young.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Can't say I agree with that assessment of Porch at all. When you say defence do you mean positioning, decision making etc. or just tackling? I think his tackling is fine and certainly better than Wootton, McNulty, and others. If you're referring to his defence as a whole imo our defensive system is and has been very poor for a while now which puts our back 3 in difficult positions far more often than their equivalents at other provinces.

    Do agree that Byrne will be a nailed on starter if he can stay fit, big if though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    Good tackler but very poor decision making, jams in an awful lot and doesn’t often get man and ball. Understandable when there’s a huge over lap but often it’s off first phase that gets punished a lot. Better suited to 15



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Overall, this is a pretty accurate assessment, but i do think it's a bit harsh on Porch, who I see as a really good player but with inconsistencies and weaknesses (why do you think he'll leave with Friend?).

    TOH is dunzo, so FB is certainly up for grabs. I'd like to see Mack try 15 for Connacht, he has his Irish spot on the wing but we don't have to play him there, especially seeing as Farrell is not interested in the way Connacht play their wingers.

    As things stand, I want to see Mack, Byrne and Wooton as our go to back three. But Alex has some serious work to do on his defence. After that it's Porch. And I want to see McNulty alternate with MAck at 15 to see if he has what we need.

    @Lucas44 what are your views on the situation in the front row, specifically TH and hooker?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Byrnes defence has never been what you would call a strong attribute of his game either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Fair enough, I do still think that poor reads in midfield and a lack of trust/clarity in the defensive system can contribute to that, but will definitely be keeping an eye out this season. Do prefer him at 15 in any case.

    I would always have agreed but I thought it was hugely improved in his most recent appearances for Leinster, which gives me hope.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    His defence did definitely improve but he has a tendency to bite in when he shouldn’t. Something that for some reason seems to happen with a lot of Connacht’s wingers. As you pointed out probably something caused by the system as much as individuals. It might expose that weakness for Byrne too though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    believe porch is very close to friend and without getting close to the Irish set up can’t imagine him hanging around too much longer in this part of the world. Both th and hooker are far from ideal to say the least. Honestly don’t know a huge amount on Stewart so hopefully he works out until delahunt can’t rehab, would imagine he’s an improvement on Jonny Murphy which is a positive. Would rate illo higher than dtm in their respective positions so would be less worried about th than hooker. DTM imo won’t ever surpass delahunt or heff as a starter but should see a lot of game time in the start of the urc. Illo has the athleticism to form into a genge mould of prop so will be interested to see how he gets on this year, definitely think he’s better long term than aungier and mccoy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Lebute


    Porch is not IQ as is an Australia 7’s international.

    Part of the Irish set up will never be on the cards .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Does anyone know if either of the preseason games against Castres/Sale will be televised/streamed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭connachta


    Maksymiw gone from Dragons to Agen



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Very unlikely to be televised. pre season games never really are



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭KBurke85



    More info here. I'd imagine as this is the last year of Friends contract its part of a succession plan.

    Not best pleases that Wilkins is taking back responsibility for defense, bad as it was last year it wasn't great under him either.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    I have no idea how Wilkins keeps getting ‘promoted’ and I hope this isn’t a succession plan - unless this season goes very well & Friend stays on it’s time for a new voice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,012 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Maybe after seeing how things are done in the international set-up Wilkins will be attempting to implement Farrell's defensive philosophies/structures. If he could do that it would be helpful for Connacht players' chances with Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭tobdom


    Fully agree, this news fills me with dread for the season ahead, given Wilkins track record in charge of our defence previously. What also fills me with dread, in terms of a fear about attendances for the season, is the ticket prices.

    €35 for the main stand terrace for all games (no difference for interpros now it seems, no tiered structure for matches), and €32 for the goal-end Bohermore and College road terraces. I was wondering is it an effort to try and flog more season tickets, but I'd have a concern that it will impact attendances overall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,318 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    Pretty sure this will be Friend's final season at Connacht so the Wilkins move definitely seems to be a move with one eye on succession planning. For whatever reason, Wilkins seems to be highly thought of in IRFU circles. A move that might be scuppered if we have a bad season which is a definite possibility. Very difficult start and it's easy for things to snowball from there.



  • Posts: 1,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think its worrying times for Connacht. I really feel like the momentum has disappeared from the organisation as a whole and that this season could really put us into the doldrums.

    The URC is already stacked against us with the way the competition is structured to give easy points to the Scottish sides in particular but I really can't see us making Top 8 even if we were starting from a level playing field. On top of that I doubt you could have hand picked a worse start.

    Kieran Keane coming in after Pat Lam didn't work for obvious reasons but with Friend I'm of the firm belief that we have gone too far the other way. Hes always comes across as a good person and overall he's done a reasonable job given our squad hasn't the depth needed but we are clearly drifting and there seems to be no accountability for the massive discrepancies we see in performance week to week and even within games. I expect some inconsistency but not to the level we showed over recent seasons.

    You keep hearing we've had a good chat about things but nothing changes. We paper over the cracks for a few weeks before the next capitulation. I don't see any real leaders in the pack in particular. Oliver is a honest performer and we have some decent individuals but no one you'd be confident going to war beside.

    Then when we get a good performance or result he's everywhere in the media. I understand he needs to try and get Connachts name out there but media duties should be managed a lot more professionally. Like for example after the Bulls game last year he got caught up in something innocuous Jake White said and made a huge deal of it rather than using that as motivation internally and the following weekend Dragons humiliated us.

    Trying to spin the last 16 qualification as progress was nonsense too. We beat Stade reserves and threw away 2 games from convincing positions one against 14 men. Even Leicester away was an opportunity lost.

    Today is just a joke really. Wilkins has proven himself not up to any job he's been given and if Friend is giving more responsibility to the coaches we are in even bigger trouble than I thought.

    We have the guts of a decent first XV so we may well get a few good wins and I'm praying that we can keep key players fit to give us a chance but on the horrible away nights in Dragons, Ospreys or Glasgow or wherever when we have to dig deep to get a result you just know it'll all unravel in a 15 or 20 minute spell.

    In terms of the support base it's a dangerous move pushing the prices to the level they are. Interpros will get decent crowds but if we have have a handful of points after 6 or 7 games most people will give it a miss over the winter months. No Saturday game til December so anyone outside Galway city or close by could be lost very early in the year. The Challenge Cup group stage games are hardly appetising and basically any standout home games are done by Christmas.

    Could be a very sparsely populated stadium for lots of games.

    With the new stadium I really believe we need to do what we can to build a strong base but outside of the hard-core there's a big risk to the floating supporter being lost if prices are too high for supporting an also ran team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Every year is a crisis of some sort at Connacht, I wouldn't be so pessimistic. Mysterious as it may be, Wilkins was presumably recruited by Farrell into the Irish set up, and that involvement should be a good thing for us. Give him a chance. If the season goes badly, nobody will be able to hide from their responsibilities behind the departing AF. Our defence was a shambles last season, Wilkins has to do something about it, or else people will be calling for his head.

    Secondly, given how mean the IRFU appear have been to the province (no money for a TH, departing internationals not replaced on a like for like basis), I think we've done very well in recruitment, especially the four arrivals from Leinster. I hope that they will add ambition and resilience to our squad, which we all know contains a lot of talent.

    Thirdly, isn't it the case that the rules for the Europe were for two years and this will be the second, thus there is some chance that the stucture which currently disadvantages the province will change? That's my recollection.

    In addition to Oliver, I would be happy to go to war with people like Thornbury and Prendergast, among others. In Murray and Dowling we have two strong emerging second rows, Paul Boyle, Bealham, Mathew Burke (who showed great character in stepping up last year at LH). Add in Dooley and Murphy, and I think we have the bones of a solid pack, even if I'm concerned about the front row. Maybe Aungier and Illo will lay that concern to rest this year, and I did like what I saw of DTM towards the end of the season.

    The hike in the ticket prices is mad - 32 euros for the terrace is a joke. Who is responsible for the commercial side of Connacht's operations? I hope that if indeed ticket sales fall, the province will look for creative ways to keep attendance up by offering special deals via schools, kids in clubs etc.

    Lastly, it would be nice if some of the media around Connacht - Twitter, podcasts, but also newspaper coverage - was to take a more critical position and get behind the demand for accountability. This doesn't mean a constant chorus of bellyaching, but simply not swallowing all the marketing waffle which is now par for the course in professional sports. Much of the media native to the net is letting us down in this regard, apparently more interested in good vibes and growing their number of followers.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,455 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    32 is simillar enough to other provinces. The province does keep attendances up through tickets for clubs. always is at least 2/3 clubs with 20-30 tickets in bohermore end each game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,819 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    I cansee Connacht being as poor as last year. The imports should help. But a line has to be drawn on some lads! TOH should not be starting! He's just been a passenger and he's not getting any younger. Aki should be captain. He's very valuable to Connacht. Tierney-Martin needs to grab any opportunities by the sac. Boyle needs to re-establish himself and get over an average season.

    If Wooten continues to be jelly in defense, he should be benched. I think Hawkshaw could be a gem and I would try him at 10 or fb. Friend has been very poor. He should have been shown the door.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭Zeugnis


    Bundee as captain isn't a runner. It's not widely understood that he actually plays very little for Connacht: in two out of the last three seasons he has played more games for Ireland than his province.

    My understanding si that Friend has made it clear that he's leaving come season's end. TOH got a one year renewal, and i wasn't convinced, but let's hope his last season is a good one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Quite unusual to change up the coaching team so close to the start of the season. I wonder if Connacht identified issues in pre season and took measures accordingly, or if Wilkins impressed Farrell/the IRFU to the extent that they saw fit to increase his responsibilities almost immediately. To be fair, Farrell was right to appoint and back Mike Catt and literally the entire Irish rugby public was proven wrong, so I trust his judgement. As for the actual changes:

    Andy Friend - Head Coach to Director of Rugby

    I like this move. Allows Andy to focus on culture, media, community outreach, player development, squad management, etc. All of which I think he is very good at. Very hard to know how much of a loss he will be in terms of coaching, as we don't know how active he was in that regard over the past few seasons.

    Pete Wilkins - Senior Coach with responsibility for attack to Head Coach with primary responsibility for defence

    Not as sure on this. Would always rather a specialised defence coach, seems like he will have a lot on his plate. Obviously quite a reductive take, but the attack last year was much better than the defence had been under Wilkins prior, so seems like a counterintuitive move from the outside looking in.

    Dewald Senekal - Forwards Coach to Forwards Coach (Lineout & Maul)

    Think he did a good job last year. Assume his remit coming in was to sort maul d, which he did IMO. Not sure if he had any involvement with coaching the scrum last year, so unsure if much has changed in that regard.

    Colm Tucker – Defence & Forwards Technical Skills Coach to Scrum & Contact Coach

    Maybe harsh to not give him time to fix the defence, but it was so abysmal last season that I'm happy to see some proactivity in making a change. Big fan of having a dedicated contact skills coach, think Leinster's focus on that area has been a major contributor to their success. Not sure if "technical skills" included the scrum, so unsure if that's a new remit for him.

    Mossy Lawler – Assistant Attack & Skills Coach to Attack & Skills Coach

    Seems more like a straightforward promotion, as opposed to the shuffling elsewhere. No complaints here, attack was good last year and hopefully we can build on that.



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