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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,672 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Or you could drip feed it and embarrass so called 'journalists' in the established media into action.

    This is what has happened with ABP and Troy after all.

    Established media here need to be embarrassed into doing their jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    That's the sort of crazy idea which might work :-)

    They should also look into the journalist ethics and standards.

    From wiki:

    Every country presents its own unique aspects and sometimes challenges as far the codes correlated with Journalism codes today. "Truth", "accuracy", and "objectivity" are cornerstones of journalism ethics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You are having issues again with quoting, sorry but no interest in a rabbit hole as the post was clear and concise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,672 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You invented a 'quote' from another poster. Nobody said that 'the FG Friendly Sunday Indo' was trying to corrupt us.

    You spun the post.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Wasn't it you who mentioned Wikipedia can be edited, forgive me if it wasn't you.

    It's interesting you highlight objectivity and yes indeed it's sometimes sadly lacking in Irish MSM, perhaps it because of potential plum Government Advisory roles, if time allows I might check how many Journalists are in these obscenely well paid jobs, but thank you for highlighting this.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    The post here, it would seem you don't understand what using "" are or the fact it was in italics 😆

    Anyway I have no interest in your rabbit hole 👌

    I would expect an apology but I doubt it will arrive




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    So now journalists are " in these obscenely well paid jobs"

    Can you tell us how much they get paid?

    It would seem everyone gets accused of been "obscenely well paid" on this thread, of course as I always say you should apply for these jobs if they earn so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I thought you'd never ask, anything from €80k up to €12Ok, not a bad nixer so to speak, this from 2020 but mentions a few Journalists 🤔

    This from 2021, there's more if required 😉


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,672 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So BA, where does the poster say the following

    'the FG Friendly Sunday Indo' was trying to corrupt us.


    Why did you 'ask a question' about something nobody said and then get in a dither when nobody answered it?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    You should apply for the job so....

    120k is now classified as "obscenely well paid jobs"??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Paddy isn't even on my radar, he's the new Paul Murphy. Rather than address the stories, question people's motives. If the stories are true, the stories are of interest. What paddy gives money to, is of absolutely no interest to me. If the stories are lies, that would be different.

    The news at one is about to interview Ivana Bacik. That'll help raise her profile. Conspiracy? She likely won't hold her own seat and her party is floundering. Hardly of public interest what she thinks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Let's call them generously paid nixers then if it keeps you happy, but what about the actual point I raised 🤔 no response, answers 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Complete and absolute Fox News level nonsense off you.

    Its the government stooges who keep rewarding him with state contracts I've issue with. He's just a business man with a suspicious hold on FG.

    I barely know who Paddy is ffs.

    Great of you to drop in to have a go and spout lies rather than discussing issues of the day. Classic Marko. Pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    You realise you are in a government thread and rather than discussing government issues are critiquing the journalistic stylings of a news source? Will we have another day like when boards allowed an all day twitter debate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    You don't answer questions but expect us to. Sorry, no. You'll just keep repeating them either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    How people choose to fashion a story is relevant even if you don't think so. It's a credibility issue. I think they have a very limited range of issues to look at and they don't even do it that well. As I said earlier Troy's own statement was infinitely more informative. I agree with the Twitter thing but that doesn't give another new favourite source instant carte blanche.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,672 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You wouldn't have had Troy's 'statement' had it been up to your favoured media outlets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I have a number I will read because they are generally reliable, even if I don't necessarily like their slant on things and it is where I read it. The Ditch have locked into something with Troy but it doesn't mean it hasn't done it very badly. If they really want more eyeballs and to be a source people want to go to, they need to up their game



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    Leo gives small update online, thanking people working in his department, plus a couple of standard topics

    Online mob loses the run of themselves.

    You can read all the comment for yourself but total disgrace.

    Just checking a couple of the account, all seem to have a lot in common in terms of who they follow. Don't need to say anything else on it





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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,672 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So you are happy to wait until they are fed the story by others. OK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I was enjoying my lunch, thank you.

    55 likes , kind of says it all BA that's pretty poor by Leo's standards, actually embarrassing. A self congratulatory video is of course his entitlement, so to are the opinions of "some" of the posters who responded, I'll grant you some unfair and inappropriate comments, some very funny , but hardly a Mob as you describe.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    I am more interested in the story. There are journalism/media forums elsewhere. Just not why I pop in here. We are fortunate we don't need to rely on a few sources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 maceoin.D.


    Can't even make a bad review about a government service these days without it getting hacked off the page. FFG trolls were bad enough but this is a bit too specific to be a bot for my liking. Are they cyberstalking people now as well? Wouldn't surprise me at all tbh...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Its always a mob when they don't like the opinions. If they were all praising him we'd be told how popular he is from the same source.

    He's doubling down on support for Troy. Tone deaf.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,199 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I didnt want to mention that but might share this video on the R Troy thread 😏, Phew I almost typed RT , I'd be harangued as Joan Burton Hillariously accused Vincent Brown of doing as we know what RT also stands for 😁

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,878 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ireland needs 'radical overhaul' of mental health services, consultant says (breakingnews.ie)

    Ireland needs 'radical overhaul' of mental health services, consultant says.

    A radical overhaul” of mental health services is required in Ireland, especially for children and adolescents, the president of the College of Psychiatrists of Ireland has said.

    “We cannot continue with this underfunded, under-resourced, underappreciated service,” Dr William Flannery told RTÉ’s Morning Ireland.

    “I would have very serious concerns about any service – whether child or adult – that does not have a fully trained, fully competent consultant psychiatrist in position. What is so frustrating for those families or individuals applying for services, is to navigate through the system. That is why we are calling for such a radical overhaul.”

    Dr Flannery, a consultant the Mater Hospital in Dublin, said there was a crisis across the entire psychiatric system – in child services, in prisons, in “the neglected state of mental health beds” and in the lengthy waiting lists which meant that patients would end up in the emergency department “which really is just not right. That is why we are in such a dire state.”

    He said there had been several crises in mental health services with “several thousand children” who had been referred by their GP for urgent care effectively being turned away.

    “This is on the back of a crisis that started at the beginning of the year around the resourcing of these services and how they're run. It's not only child services, it is across the system,” he said.

    Dr Flannery pointed out that there had already been one report about the “neglected state” of mental health units which came after years of underfunding and under-resourcing. This was something that the College of Psychiatrists had warned of repeatedly, the consequences of which were now being seen.

    ----

    11,000 Irish Children Waiting For Psychological Treatment (extra.ie)

    Over 13,000 patients are currently waiting for psychological treatment, new figures have shown.

    Over 11,000 of those waiting are children, with almost 4,000 children waiting more than a year for an appointment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭Brucie Bonus


    Of course. Developers get more support and thought. See they can't make money off nurses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭brokenangel


    I remember joining the nurses on the march in Dublin on that strike. Proper event and got the full force of the majority of Ireland behind them. Not like the half arsed stuff you see going on these days.....

    It was even more shocking at the time when I seen thread on boards and other on twitter etc complaining about giving the nurses more money. I said at the time to the people would they be crying over a little bit of extra tax when they are sick and in hospital.

    Then covid hit and of course we seen a lot of fake clapping all over Ireland. Some people thinking nurses should be just used as a political football

    I haven't seen anything on the nurses going on strike again and when I google I see nothing, maybe you could provide some more info?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,878 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Good article on it here. Same factors repeated.

    Why we emigrated: Irish healthcare professionals on what pushed them to leave (thejournal.ie)

    Becca (28) studied general nursing in Tralee and now lives in Perth.

    “There’s no such thing as a patient ratio in Ireland. I used to have eight patients on a day shift in a private cardiac unit,” she explains. “In Australia, it’s such a massive contrast - it’s strictly four patients to one nurse in the public hospitals.” 

    Becca could have had 12 patients to herself on a night shift when she was working in Ireland. “It’s so dangerous. Would you be happy for one of your grandparents to be looked after by someone that has 11 other patients? It’s not safe for the patients and it’s not safe for the nurses,” she says.

    Becca explains that any mistakes made in the workplace almost always come down to poor fatigue management and too much of a patient workload. Her workload in Australia is manageable compared to Ireland.

    Maud (27) from Cork also studied in Tralee and worked in two different hospitals in Cork once she qualified. In Australia, she now works in home care for palliative patients. Maud echoes Becca’s comments about hospital work in Australia, noting a much lower patient load. 

    “I had a nice run while working in Ireland because I was in a private elective ward. You’d know what’s coming in the door but training was a different story. I trained in a public hospital and there were staff shortages, long hours, and some days you were expected to be a staff member despite being on training, so it was sink or swim.”

    “I don’t think I’ll ever go back to hospitals in Ireland. Pay would need to change, [plus] better working conditions, higher staff levels, lower patient to nurse ratio.

    Aoife (31) from Clare, studied in Castlebar and qualified in 2013. “I was paid €5.35 an hour during my training,” She describes doing her nursing degree in Ireland as “traumatic.”

    “We were treated so badly; the senior staff were quite nasty.”

    She tried to get a job immediately but they were paying minimum wage. “I was earning more working in a bar,” she says. Aoife then worked in a hospital in Liverpool for four years. “The pay still wasn’t good but you’re treated better there than you are at home. The people were much nicer, they were all about helping the new nurses.

    “There’s no respect at all [in Ireland]. Nurses don’t have respect for other nurses, the managers don’t have respect for the nurses. The doctors certainly don’t have respect for the nurses, [particularly] doctors aged 40 and over. I was in a theatre all day with one surgeon and I worked every day with him for a year and he didn’t know my name.

    “If I moved home to Ireland, I would never work in a hospital again. The culture in a hospital has to change, it’s terrible.”



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