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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    All this NRA business has me thinking might the FSB have a hand in this set up. Russia can now use this for its own purposes. This woman had no value to anyone bar media outlets. Killing her is of no use at all to the Ukraine likewise it has not cost Russia much either. Just be aware it could well be a Russian plot to use against Ukraine.

    Dan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,617 ✭✭✭Cordell


    She was in the same business as her father, not an innocent victim like those daughters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Is the picture becoming clearer?

    If reports suggesting that she was the intended victim are accurate, then the message to Putin may be "you have a daughter too" (maybe he has more daughters, I don't care).

    I believe that this NRA is real but undoubtedly externally funded and instigated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭paul71


    The possibilities.


    1. Ukrainian spooks/military did it.
    2. An angry individual Ukrainian did it.
    3. Russian opposition group did it.
    4. US spooks did it.
    5. Russian opposition group did it with assistance of US spooks.
    6. An Anti-Putin group within the Kremlin did it and invented a opposition group called the NRA as a cover.
    7. Russian intelligence did it in order to point the finger at Ukraine.


    I think 6 and 3 are most likely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,398 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves



    Much more likely to be internally set up and funded. At this stage even the most delusional in the upper echelon's know this war is at best not going well at worst lost.

    It's draining the Russian military and economically destroying Russia. There will be element that may be starting tom take drastic steps to put an end to the conflict. At best the Russian army can maintain the present front line in Ukraine until the winter

    Many oligarchs have lost a large part of there lifetimes accumulation of wealth. They taught this was a 2-3 month conflict and then back to some sort of normality. Fear will only stop them from acting for so long self interest will bring action to end the situation

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Russia must also pay huge reparations as part of any settlement. They have brought or caused great destruction to Ukrainian infrastructure cities, towns & villages in the east. And murdered many ordinary citizens as well as combatants.



  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Innocent? Calling people subhuman (who else used to say that?) and calling for people's deaths? Not in my book.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Hopefully this is the start of a fightback by the opposition.

    The higher-ups will have security details, security sweeps etc. They will be harder to get to.

    Someone like this has been vocal, has been on the media and people would recognise her.

    Her elimination (even if a partial failure if her father was the intended target) sends a message that even if we cannot take you out, we can take out those close to you.

    It also galvanises others into believing that they can be a part of making a difference.

    Hopefully this is the start of a meaningful insurgency from within just like with South Africa for example.

    Could take a while though and depends on their expertise and funding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,047 ✭✭✭jmreire


    That's being very insulting to pigs...I'm not sure there is a word in the English language to adequately describe these monsters.. escapees from the deepest pit in hell maybe... we should have competition.?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,047 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And what is the cost or repairing / replacing the target they hit? Good value for money, I'd say. I doubt that you would buy a used 2nd hand tank for that, never mind a weapons depot.



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  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some posters make comments along the lines of Russia bad - indicating Russia has a terrible regime (i.e. on the same page as us) then they'll make comments like, ooh, Russia could do bad things, best make a deal with them. Not pointing at anyone in particular of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,047 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Ah but Ukrainians are sub human to be killed at will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Even the hint of the existence of a Fifth Column in Russia could introduce a new & interesting angle to this war. Russia would yet again have to face an internal partisan movement (just like the Chechens in the early 2000s) right when they are throwing everything they have at Ukraine. This could just be a handful of partisans who struck it lucky with this bombing, or it could be a far more organised effort designed to cause the Kremlin local pain just while they were least equipped to deal with it.

    Very best case; this might be the beginnings of a larger partisan movement and if the Kremlin f**k up their handling of it, it might morph into a full scale insurgency. Add in the Free Russia Legion serving in Ukraine and you might have a doomsday senario for Putin, where an anti-Putin movement might take control of parts of Russia from him. Then we'd probably be into new Russian Civil War (been roughly 100 years since last time..,happened because a war that time too I believe). That's all assuming that the Russian Army will (or even can) split down the middle and take sides. I don't see that as likely unless something goes spectacularly badly for them, either in the War or within Russia.

    Of course the most likely outcome is that not much new will happen. The Kremlin will just double down everywhere and will try to micromanage any attempt of sympathize with rebellion as a fast-track to being "volunteered" to the front line. That all said, even the possibility of a new front within Russia itself, led by Russians, makes things even more interesting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    step closer to full mobilisation

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Posts: 230 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Russia doubling down on its baseless claims that “Ukrainian special forces” were behind the murder of Dugina. What are the Russian state hiding on this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,047 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Or most likely, will give Putin the excuse and justification he needs to double down on perceived traitors and terrorists operating on the territory of Russia. What ever way it pans out, its an interesting development. In other parts of Russia, ( Curtesy of the BBC) in the town of Volosovo near St. Petersburg ( and that's hitting close to home, or the protected species of Russian ) like many other similar towns scattered across Russia, there are loudspeakers mounted on large poles. Normally they are used to broadcast patriotic music during festivals etc. But now they are broadcasting military enlistment ad's. like " Two volunteer artillery battalions are being formed. We invite men between the ages of 18 to 60 old to join" These ads promise the sun, moon and stars to volunteers who join up. But uptake is decidedly slow, news from the battlefront is bad, and recruits who have signed up in the past lured by the attractive rates of pay, who have survived, have come home with horror stories of what is happening, and to make matters worse, they never got the promised money either. So not looking good for Putins re enlistment plans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Even the hint of a local partisan movement, run and operated by Russians against Putin, is a dangerous prospect for the Kremlin to admit to it's own public. It would:

    1) Indicate weakness on their part, and illustrate that not all of Russia are out there planting Z symbols around the place

    2) Introduces the idea that one might successfully go against the Kremin, which might encourage others to try.



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,858 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I wouldn't be looking any further than Putin having a "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest" moment in the Dugin bomb.

    It gives Putin's regime an excuse to mop up any remaining suspected opposition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Would not be surprised if it internal warfare with Russian secret service groups.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,517 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The regime seems desperate to blame Ukraine for Dugina's murder (despite the fact she was virtually unknown to people in Ukraine or in the West). One wonders just what they are trying to cover up here and what 'really' happened.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Snooker Loopy


    If the FSB claims Ukraine did it that pretty much means the FSB did it on the order of Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Field east


    irrespective of who did it, ifPutin says that The Ukr gov was behind it then all hell could break loose. Eg going ape sh-t and landing a pletira of missiles on those cities that Ru have not controlled for starters. All Putin needs is an excuse - wheather true or not and he then decides on the appropriate response. So if I was Ukr I would be doubling my defenceefforts al, over the place and have those bunker doors permantly open for the next few weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭paul71


    Very possible, as someone said earlier "Who will rid me of this priest", its also possible that an element inside FSB did it in defiance of Putin.


    Those 2 contradicting possibilities are indicative of the Russia Putin has created. Which lie or set of liars do you believe the least!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Have you not been following this? Putin doesn't need an excuse to do anything. He just does it and maybe afterwards tries to justify it with tall tales and nonsense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭paul71


    Also the speed at which they reached this conclusion. It reminds me of an old comedy film set in Ireland starring David Nivan. Nivans character tried to burn down the mansion he inherited for the insurance. Only to be frustrated by the arrival of the fire brigade. The fire chief informed him that they sometimes arrived at a fire before it even started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,617 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Maybe or maybe they did it without his order, what it means for sure is that Ukraine didn't do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11



    Commander-in-chief of Ukrainian Armed Forces Zaluzhny says about 9000 Ukrainian soldiers killed since the start of the war

    i smell BS

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,398 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Why do you think that. They are fighting a defensive war. They are looking after there wounded soldiers better than the Russian army. Traditionally the wounded to deaths ratio was 3-1. In reason conflicts the US has got that to 15+-1.

    Assuming a 5-1 figures that would be 45k.wounded to 9 k deaths. The Russian army deaths are magnified by there poor handling of wounded. There information that there deaths to wounded is 1-1. 35 k of each giving a 70 k total

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Irish embassy has reopened in Kyiv. A number of Western countries, including the UK, United States, France, Spain and Italy have also re-established a diplomatic presence in Kyiv.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,586 ✭✭✭rogber


    Yes it's an utterly implausible figure. The battle for Mariupol, the fierce fighting in Donbass for months on end,not to mention numerous confirmed hits on military barracks in the early days of the war where troops were housed. Number must be at least 2-3 times higher, if not more.



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