Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

Seth Brundle · 19-08-2022 01:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493626#Comment_119493626

I'm sure the bees aren't too happy about it either!

growleaves · 19-08-2022 01:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493621#Comment_119493621

I posted one tongue in cheek comment in the spirit of the comment I was replying to.

No I'm serious in general. Anyway I've said what I wanted to say, I'll leave it there.

cgcsb · 19-08-2022 01:41PM

Ok bye

Citizen Six · 19-08-2022 01:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493642#Comment_119493642

Don't forget your two large suitcases!

growleaves · 19-08-2022 01:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493670#Comment_119493670

It's not a matter of 'edge cases' but of options for when the need arises.

I want to be able to transport stuff if and when needed. Pretty straightforward really.

growleaves · 19-08-2022 01:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493668#Comment_119493668

Goodbye

Seth Brundle · 19-08-2022 01:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493686#Comment_119493686

...and can you point to a believable (non-clickbait) source claiming that your ability to transport stuff is actually going to be removed?

growleaves · 19-08-2022 01:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493703#Comment_119493703

The newstalk article about that new W Dublin town says that there's talk of no parking space for a city/town with a bigger population than Galway. (See below)

The new general trend seems to be a phasing out of cars. It is a worrying trend to me. No I don't have a definitive document I can point to.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/dublin-city-edge-plan-a-car-free-statement-of-future-intent-1373398

Seth Brundle · 19-08-2022 02:01PM

Newstalk? I said believable! You may as well be looking at The Sun!

Anyhow, if you look at the likes of the IT, there is more information on it...

The first 3,500 homes are expected to be completed by 2030 and, as an interim measure pending the opening of new public transport links, multistorey car parks or “collective parking units” will be built which will later be converted to other uses.

These parking spaces would be available for short-term lease and would be remote from neighbourhood centres to enable the provision of car-free streets in areas of high pedestrian activity, and remote from transport hubs to discourage “unplanned park-and-rides”.

Currently, 25,000 people are employed in the area, but this is projected to increase to 75,000. The authorities plan that “zero workplace parking be provided for new employment centres, with the exception for persons with identified mobility needs”.

A small amount of parking will be retained throughout the area to facilitate people with disabilities, but the plan envisages a “long-term transition to an overall car-free development as both the public transport offering and supporting services mature”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2022/08/17/plans-to-construct-peripheral-virtually-car-free-dublin-town/

As I previously said, this kind of development exists elsewhere in Europe and I don't recall reading how the residents were in any way impeded.

As for your comment about the phasing out of cars, this is a natural thing. Most people living in the city centre don't own a car. Most of the cars driven into the city centre do not need to go there but are brought by choice by their owners who could, if they wanted to, have taken public transport. Naturally some city centre drivers need to bring in the vehicles and this will always continue to be the case. However, I'm not aware of any policy out there either at government or council level which seeks to phase out cars.

Citizen Six · 19-08-2022 02:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493686#Comment_119493686

And you can transport stuff, if and when you need to. There's no issues or restrictions there. It's straightforward.

spurious · 20-08-2022 03:43PM

Substantial increase in people ignoring the restrictions today. Nobody stopping them.

On the airport issue, if you have dropped or tried to pick up anyone from Dublin Airport recently (using a car), you would certainly get the impression they are trying to discourage cars. It's a mess.

Citizen Six · 20-08-2022 06:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119497969#Comment_119497969

I picked someone up from T2 last Friday. Just pulled up at set down and waited there, took two minutes.

Two weeks previous I had to collect someone at T1, closest parking was short term C. Due to staff shortages it took over an hour from plane landing, to coming through arrivals, so I ended up having to pay €7.50.

Pawwed Rig · 20-08-2022 09:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119493489#Comment_119493489

Would a taxi not be the solution here? Or some kind of metro?

One large suitcase with wheels is the job in this case.🤣

Citizen Six · 20-08-2022 10:29PM

Problem solved.

Seth Brundle · 20-08-2022 10:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119499483#Comment_119499483

It doesn't have pedals so can't be classified as an e-bike. Therefore it would need tax & insurance as it is a mechanically propelled vehicle and not allowed use the bus lanes

spurious · 20-08-2022 11:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498520#Comment_119498520

Yes, I meant Terminal One, Two is much more straightforward.

Murph_D · 21-08-2022 01:07AM

Why are people engaging with this eejit? 🧐

growleaves · 21-08-2022 12:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119500135#Comment_119500135

Charming. So a basic question about needing to transport stuff deserves no thought or answer.

It might be an idea to think about this stuff out loud before "aggressively restricting" cars.

Seth Brundle · 21-08-2022 12:47PM

It might be an idea to think about this stuff out loud before "aggressively restricting" cars.

Where exactly are cars being aggressively restricted? Do you mean on the section of road between Fairview and N. Strand that is a construction site? Cars (and other private motor vehicles) are restricted in one direction temporarily, none of this is in any way aggressive though (as posted yesterday many drivers are blatantly ignoring the diversion knowing that sweet FA is likely to happen).

Christ Almighty, do you need someone on the ground to actually show you or are you comfortable there in your ignorance?

growleaves · 21-08-2022 12:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501048#Comment_119501048

I was quoting Owen Keegan speaking about his general intention for Dublin city. Here is the article from a few months ago.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/dublin-city-council-chief-seeks-to-aggressively-restrict-space-for-cars-1.4837589

Btw you don't have to lose the head and call me ignorant. It is realistic, as you yourself have even said, that cars will be partially phased out over time. Is one or two awkward questions about the implications of this a justification for an explosion of anger and insults?

LXFlyer · 21-08-2022 12:58PM

A plea!

Any chance that this discussion can be kept to the ongoing works and diversions around North Strand and Fairview which are to facilitate the major infrastructure works??

Maybe start a new thread to discuss the wider issues as this one is being completely derailed by discussions about the airport and motor traffic in Dublin in general?

growleaves · 21-08-2022 12:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501077#Comment_119501077

Grand. I'll stop discussing it but I don't want posters making insulting references to me after I've bowed out of the discussion.

Seth Brundle · 21-08-2022 01:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501061#Comment_119501061

"Phased out over time" does not equate to "aggressive". At all!

Now with that said, I'm happy to just discuss the Fairview works to stay on topic.

LXFlyer · 21-08-2022 01:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501081#Comment_119501081

I’m not a moderator - I’m just respectfully asking that we try and keep topics within the subject title.

It just gets impossible to keep things on track otherwise.

There is a “report post” facility on every post which is the best way to deal with insults etc. rather than derailing discussions.

Why not start a separate thread to discuss the future of the private car in Dublin city centre?

growleaves · 21-08-2022 01:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119501091#Comment_119501091

It was Owen Keegan's own description of the policy he's spearheading - he described it as "aggressive". Basically the Fairview works are just one piece of the puzzle.

Anyway no more talk outwith the Fairview works.

spurious · 21-08-2022 07:48PM

I notice the old wall as you go up the small hill to the canal on the North Strand has been demolished. That's a pity. I thought they might have been able to retain that.

**edit. Checking their renders of how it is all supposed to look afterwards, the wall seems to be still there. Not sure how they will manage that. maybe they will build it again.

Citizen Six · 21-08-2022 08:11PM

Probably rebuild it. As it currently stands, bits of that wall were falling off on a regular basis.

bk · 22-08-2022 12:42PM

MOD: This thread is only about the works at Fairview. If you want to discuss a general reduction in access of cars in the city, please start another thread for it, thanks.

Beta Ray Bill · 22-08-2022 01:01PM

Have many people here actually driven down the North Stand since the diversion started?

I haven't gone down yet as I mostly use the Dart to get into work the 1 or 2 days that I go in. I might the very odd time use the motorcycle, but I just don't wanna risk hassle.

I think the layout is deliberately poor. It would have made more sense for inbound traffic to use North Strand and output traffic to use the Ballybough Road. That way the traffic lanes wouldn't be crossing each other and traffic could move more freely.

I don't think this is going to be 21 months either (will probably run 36 months) also it could be made permanent.

Just as an FYI the first I'd actually heard of this was the week before the change was implemented.

I think sh*t will really hit the fan though when the kids go back to school

Qrt · 22-08-2022 01:53PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119505038#Comment_119505038

It’s not going to be made permanent; the approved plans are for two general lanes, two bus lanes, and two cycle paths in each direction.

Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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