Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

COVID is now on par with the flu' as a health issue and you'd expect the HSE winter plan to approach it that way. Hospitals cases in February hit 1,600 and we coped well enough despite the drama in some quarters. Indeed we were well ahead of the rest of Europe in dropping restrictions. The virus now seems to be very transmissible but extremely mild so gone for the very vast majority of us.

So all those unvaccinated who brought the hospitals to the brink of collapse last winter didn't actually need care and were just in hospital for the laugh?

So people with Covid won't need care in hospitals this winter because we now class it on par with the flu, so it will be less severe because the HSE say so?

I am not sure the point of February, the war started in February if I am correct so we had little to none unvaccinated people from Ukraine.

We are on target to add around 80,000 people from a country with a very low vaccination rate to a health system that almost collapsed with a population where over 90% were vaccinated last winter.

These unvaccinated are then also cramped into tented communities where it will be more likely to spread at a faster rate.

Ukrainians age in dog years do they?

🙄

For someone who spent months arguing construction wasn't closed down

No idea how it is relevant, but construction wasn't completely closed down. Again none of this is my opinion.

New Dwelling Completions

2019 - 21,241

2021 - 20,433

I have no idea how many Ukrainians will need hospitilsation that is not the point.

Why are you talking about the hospitals being overwhelmed so?

We have taken in roughly 58,000 between March and now. I am not sure exactly how many over the 5½ months, but we are expected to match roughly that many over the next 4½ months coming into Christmas.

The flu season this year is expected to be very high (without Ukrainians). They are calling it a 'twindemic' in Australia, Covid + Flu numbers very high over winter.

So with the extra numbers, many living in tents or wherever they end up putting the leftovers of the 100,000 that are expected to be here without accommodation, hospitals are going to be under severe pressure. Who knows, maybe there'll be covid, flu or twindemic planes going to Benidorm for the extras that can't be looked after here.

F**cking farcical.

Source for your "roughly 58,000" please?

My source for the 46,760 figure is https://data.unhcr.org/en/situations/ukraine and it's up to 9th August.

Are those figures only Ukrianinans who arrived in Ireland from Ukriane/Poland, and are those figures including Ukrianinans who were giving temp shelter in another EU country like Spain/France first.

If Vladimir is recorded in Spain and makes his way to Ireland with Vladimira then those figures would be a lot higher.

We know already many Ukrianinans are coming here for better welfare packages from other EU countries.

No, we don't know that. You claiming that is the case doesn't make it so. Given their Temporary Protection status, Ukrainians are entitled to the social welfare benefits of whatever country they first get their Temp Protection status in. Or at least that's how it's supposed to work. I've seen no evidence to the contrary.

Those figures are what they're listed as on the UNHCR page. Nothing more, nothing less.

One of the five, not two.

Thought the last couple of lines were worth quoting, there. Y'know - for a bit of balance.

He can’t see it from his ivory tower.

Hospital were not on the brink of anything, they coped - 2021 was the bad winter.

Some stats and details on this without it becoming an adjunct of the COVID threads.

Vaccinated and unvaccinated hospital cases are at about about 50/50.

50% of cases are incidental, in other words picked up in hospital.

The vast majority of cases are not sick at all but there still needs to be a COVD path.

Risk applies to the over 65s and/or those with at least one of the underlying conditions.

When we were at 20K+ cases a day, estimates suggested it was actually closer to 60K and for the overwhelming majority it was a sniffle or at worst feeling sorry for oneself for 2-3 days. Hospitalisation was at barely 5 per 10,000.