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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I am pretty sure that the Secret Service has one task: ensuring the personal safety of DJT. If the feds come looking for him, then the warrant and any subsequent action must be taken by the Gardai, with backing, if necessary, of the Irish courts.

    If the Secret Service agents are some type of Trump "loyalists" things might get interesting.



  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Either that or the idea in the back of their mind that some of their supporters might eventually flip on them and start gunning for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Nah, it'll be cuba. He's probably already built tunnels from cuba to the basement at Mar a Lago!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The FCCs Fairness Doctrine was for broadcast licences which were seen as not applying to cable stations. Legislation was brought forward to have it applied to cable stations and Reagan vetoed it being applied.

    So you have a situation where even their lawyers say only an idiot would believe anything that they say, being broadcast.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 12,672 Mod ✭✭✭✭2011


     ^^^ This makes me think that Trump has been told by his advisors that he won’t get away with it this time. There is a real possibility that he may find himself behind bars. Should this become evident to his supporters the entire country could decend into chaos with violent consequences.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,221 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    This is all very delicious. Trump and the Republicans were overjoyed when FBI director Comey decided to help them win the election with a last minute lie about Clinton and the nonexistent national security question about her email servers, and now they are all incensed at The FBI investigating Trump for a possibly real National security breach.

    You couldn't make it up.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think you are half right..

    You are right in that I think he has been told he is in real trouble and is unlikely to be able to wriggle free.

    However what he is doing now is actively trying to weaponize his supporters in an effort to make the DOJ Prosecutors think twice about charging him because of the fears of potential civil unrest.

    I mean you've had 2 separate people end up dead this week while trying to attack FBI/Government locations along with a huge number of threats online etc. Not once has Trump or any of his mouthpieces come out and said "Hey guys, take a step back and calm down".

    They don't want them calm - They want them angry and feral.

    You can guarantee that if Trump was charged and brought to court that his lackeys would call for massive protests outside the courts to apply pressure , just like January 6th and we all know the outcome there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,103 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Whichever way this goes, Trump will not end up behind bars. The US simply could not cope with an Ex Potus in jail. It would be awful from an international POV.

    If Trump is anything, the guy knows a deal. It usually entails others paying the price and him walking away, but that might well be the best option for everyone concerned.

    Trump simply agrees to remove himself from political life. No more rallies, no endorsements. It suits the country, it certainly suits the GOP and it is going to suit Trump as the likely alternative is possible jail time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    He doesn't need to be behind bars for them to resort to violence and insurrection. They just look for the word of their golden idol.

    I still don't think he'll step foot behind bars. He will probably be found guilty enough to warrant it and enough to stop him running for anything again. But he and the GQP will tie up the courts until he is dead.

    And for his cult, the GQP and his ... fans, that will be considered a win. Remember, these are the same people who think that Musk buying twitter was a "win" for trump.

    He will never step foot in jail. He will be found guilty almost immediately after he announces that he has decided that he will not run again as it is too corrupt (ie. he knows the writing is on the wall). All his donations will be gone. And he will STILL be a hero to his deluded ... fans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,037 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    You're missing one of the key points of irony. Trump signed into law, presumably at a dig at HC, the very thing he's being prosecuted for



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,200 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I don't think Trump would dare foment any more violence than what would prevent him playing golf and sipping virgin pina coladas at Mar a Lago. He has to realise that encouraging that kind of chaos would only put his own wellbeing at risk as well as everyone else's. My feeling is that if the heat gets too high, he tries to do a runner.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,870 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Trouble is though, if Trump struck a deal that he simply exits politics, doesn't even endorse candidates, exits public life etc, then it'll be claimed that all the investigations and charges were political in nature and just done to stop him running from President again. It'll also not stop him using mouthpieces or advising from behind the scenes.

    I don't think a deal can be done. I think charges have to be brought to their conclusion. It'll never result in jail time, probably house arrest to Mar A Lago. But I think any kind of deal only benefits Trump.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I agree - It's long gone past any options for a "Trump retires to Florida" option.

    This has to end is a conviction for Trump should the evidence support it - And at best he avoids actual jail on the basis of a suspended sentence or something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,205 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    He's absolutely petrified.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,870 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I can definitely see the fact he's a former President as being justification as to why he doesn't actually go to jail, and I think that could be reasonable. But even if he isn't jailed and is instead subject to some sort of house arrest or severe restrictions, others below him who were also involved do need to be jailed if found guilty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,870 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    "... who got more votes, by far, than any sitting President in the history of our Country..."

    Christ, he is still such a salty little b*tch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,045 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I'd bet large amounts of money that he will teflon out of this, AND stay in political life, AND challenge the next election.

    I've read far too much "he's really in trouble now" from the last half decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,344 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    There are regulations about deliberately distorting the news for any broadcaster who is registered with the FCC which Fox is. However, it's an extremely hard case to prove when it comes to opinion and 'analysis' where there is often a tiny grain of truth that allows the 'honest belief' defence and the complaint can only be brought by a whistleblower who has evidence from

    Broadcasting false content during news programming

    The FCC is prohibited by law from engaging in censorship or infringing on First Amendment rights of the press. It is, however, illegal for broadcasters to intentionally distort the news, and the FCC may act on complaints if there is documented evidence of such behavior from persons with direct personal knowledge. For more information, please see our consumer guide, Complaints About Broadcast Journalism.

    We can all suspect very strongly that the likes of Tucker Carlson is deliberately distorting the news but to prove intent you would need documentary evidence that he told someone that he know his 'analysis' is wrong but he is going to report it anyway because he intends to distort that news

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,344 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Extradition is usually not granted for political offences so we could well be stuck with him.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,344 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Anything that disproves their lies is 'Fake News' if the audience even get to see such a rebuttal. Most Fox viewers live in a bubble of Pro-Trump media and never see anything outside of that.

    Its scary how insulated they can be from the facts

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,200 ✭✭✭✭briany


    How would being convicted prevent him from running? The problem with the law is that it's only applicable if enough people agree it's applicable. If Trump decides to run anyway, who's going to stop him? If the Republican party allows him into the primary and red states allow him on the ballot, who's going to do anything about that?

    If Trump wants to run for president again, my thinking is the only way he won't is if he is physically unable in one way or another, whether through infirmity, death or confinement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Can you imagine what they'd be like if he was actually sent to jail?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,205 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Could we just refuse him entry on the basis hes a danger to national security.........wherever he goes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Well, I assume there are rules about convictions and eligibility to run for president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,953 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,205 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Whichever way this goes, Trump will not end up behind bars. The US simply could not cope with an Ex Potus in jail. It would be awful from an international POV.

    Before January 6, no one would have said that a president would lead a mob to sack the Capitol Building.

    Norms are being broken every single day by Trump. Why not one more "norm"?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,868 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Well there are , but only for convictions for certain specific crimes.

    A convicted Bank Robber or whatever can run for office if they like , but some of the charges potentially facing Trump have explicit elements that bar people from holding office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭Economics101


    "Political offences"? That is what the Don wants people to believe. He is likely to be wanted for civil or criminal offences, and don't be led astray by the history of extradition pleading in the Irish courts: "It was political, your honour", as many a bomber no doubt pleaded.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,200 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The point I was trying to make was that laws only hold when there are enough people willing to observe them. If not, they're not worth the paper they're printed on. So, if Trump does get convicted of something in relation to this raid and is, by law, barred from running again, what happens if the Republican party and red states just decide not to observe that barring? Maybe blue states would observe it, but then red states might, in retaliation, strike certain candidates of their ballots, and all of a sudden the temperature has been significantly raised.



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