Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Headless_1916 · 13-08-2022 09:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119466798#Comment_119466798

Not sure I understand what you are saying when you ask if I'm 'bad to the bone', and I am not another poster's account, though I'm not sure how I could prove that or why I should bother. I thought I was pretty clear -- I didn't see a clear explanation for why these words don't mean what they appear to be defined as in the dictionaries I checked in the posts I that I looked through up-thread, so I asked if someone could point me to the post where it was explained so that I could gain some understanding about why the dictionary meaning of the words is different than the meaning that is being used in this thread, but apparently your paranoia that I am some other poster overrode your ability to read and be cordial. Nevermind, I should've known better, it's pretty clear all of you are just arguing to argue at this point. Carry on!

Igotadose · 13-08-2022 04:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119467157#Comment_119467157

So, no concern about the vaccine safety then. Great. Have a nice life.

Big Bag of Chips · 13-08-2022 05:46PM

@Igotadose if you have a problem with a poster bring it the attention of the moderators. Anything else is offtopic. As already mentioned, nobody is forcing you to reply to anyone.

snowcat · 13-08-2022 07:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119468597#Comment_119468597

Hopefully not or else it is not going to end well, Again we are early days in the experiment and with excess mortality going up and fertility down it will only be in the next decades we will see the results.

13-08-2022 10:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119469537#Comment_119469537

But there's no evidence at all linking vaccines to excess death or a decrease in fertility.

This has already been shown in the thread.

Igotadose · 14-08-2022 06:10AM

Was this thread renamed?

Fighting Tao · 14-08-2022 06:37AM

Looks to have been. Obviously zero safety issues were identified and so the name was wrong and now conspiracy theorists have got their wish of a shite dumping mega thread.

snowcat · 14-08-2022 07:19AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470081#Comment_119470081

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFf5k2h-f_4

sydthebeat · 14-08-2022 07:24AM

@Big Bag of Chips

Why was the thread renamed?

By doing this, the last 353 pages are now rendered useless as vaccine safety was the issue being discussed, and a very important distinction point in many posts.

I request theb original thread name to be reinstated please

14-08-2022 07:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470670#Comment_119470670

Sorry, youtube videos you found on twitter aren't evidence or even worth looking at.

There's been no evidence linking vaccines to excess death or a reduction of birthrates.

This has been shown.

snowcat · 14-08-2022 07:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470679#Comment_119470679

The usual response.

https://yourviews.parliament.scot/covid19/excess-deaths-covid19-pandemic/consultation/published_select_respondent

His study is published by the Scottish parliament in their excess deaths review along with many more in the study who suggested a link between vaccine rollout and excess deaths.

14-08-2022 07:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470698#Comment_119470698

Yes, because it's the usual linkdumping you do when you find something on twitter.

And ok. He got a response published. What evidence does he supply?

What journal was his research published in or is it just this Letters to the Editor kinda thing?

Why did you linkdump to some youtube video from a sketch fake news channel before posting this?

snowcat · 14-08-2022 07:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470702#Comment_119470702

God that clip hit a nerve. You should email that Professor and the University of Edinburgh and let him know your feelings about his research.

14-08-2022 08:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470728#Comment_119470728

Lol. Hit a nerve?

I didn't watch the clip. Because it's a link dump that you found from twitter.

I'm asking you what evidence he supplied and where this evidence was published.

You link is just a bunch of responses, most of which actively disagree with your conspiracy views.

Rather than chase you down, I'll just state the obvious. You can't point to any evidence he provides, because he has none. You can't point out where he's published this evidence because he hasn't. You only have this one clip you found on youtube or twitter and have done nothing to actually look into it.

Maybe you should email him yourself and ask him for the evidence he has.

So again, there's no evidence that link the vaccines to excess death or a reduction of birth rates.

snowcat · 14-08-2022 08:30AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470743#Comment_119470743

Its amazing how you have all this information about my sources. You seem to have an overly emotional response to a clip you have not even watched. I dont have any conspiracy views.

If there was direct evidence that the MRNA vaxxes were causing excess deaths they would be stopped immediately and one of the greatest and costliest mistakes in medical history would have occurred. There is no direct evidence at the moment. Going forward that might change. Only time will tell.

Certainly one eminent Professor the afore mentioned Richard Ennos at a recognised university believes that to be true based on his reserch. I personally have not studied his sources or am qualified to comment on whether he is correct or incorrect in his research

14-08-2022 08:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470790#Comment_119470790

Lol. What information do I have?

I said that it was a youtube link to a sketchy news channel.

Nothing in any of my responses has been "emotional". Previously you were arguing that my response must have been "emotional" because I was triggered by watching the clip.

You do have conspiracy views. You have argued repeatedly that there's a conspiracy behind the vaccines and the pandemic.

And yes, you agree with me, there's no evidence that the vaccines are linked to excess death or a reduction in birthrates.

So what research has he done? Where has this been published? Will you be emailing him to ask him about it?

I think the reason you're not answering these questions is because you've only watched that link you found on twitter or truthsocial or whatever and you didn't actually look any deeper.

snowcat · 14-08-2022 09:11AM

More waffle from you. Can you link anywhere I have stated conspiracy views? If there is a need to look deeper. It is up to everyone to do their own research. I personally am happy that the guy exists. That he is a professor and I note his opinion. I can't confirm or otherwise comment on his claims.

14-08-2022 10:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470900#Comment_119470900

Lol Ok then. If you don't have any conspiracy views, then you agree that there is no conspiracy to cover up deaths or other things caused by the vaccines.

Glad we agree there also.

But why haven't you done your own research?

You were claiming that this professor had published research, yet now you're saying that "it's his opinion" and that you've done nothing to actually look into him or that research.

Bit weird to link dump something from a dodgy source talking to him in response to a statement you agree with...

Again, I think you only just watched that video cause it came across your social media feed, and you just accepted it without any of your own research.

Am I correct?

snowcat · 14-08-2022 10:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471121#Comment_119471121

No you are not correct.

Here is another paper from New Zealand on their excess deaths. Again looks reasonable to me everyone should do their own research and draw their own conclusions. Courtesy of Prof John Gibson from University of Waikato.

https://repec.its.waikato.ac.nz/wai/econwp/2211.pdf

Igotadose · 14-08-2022 10:35AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470900#Comment_119470900

uhuh.

14-08-2022 10:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471154#Comment_119471154

Ok. So you're deflecting away from your previous link already. Cool.

What research did you do into this one and where did you find it originally?

Cause I think this is another case of you finding something on your social media feed and repeating it before looking into it or doing your own research.

For example, what's this guy a professor of? I notice that you don't mention his field of study, yet go to lengths to identify where he works.

Fighting Tao · 14-08-2022 10:48AM

professor of Economics. Do I get a prize for not being a fool and looking it up?

Igotadose · 14-08-2022 10:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471200#Comment_119471200

The paper and the professor were discussed here not all that long ago.

snowcat · 14-08-2022 10:53AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471168#Comment_119471168

Sorry King Mob. I dont do social media. He is professor of Economics. I found it on good ould google. More information and studies as expected are materialising with time.

14-08-2022 10:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471210#Comment_119471210

Ok. If you say so. Where did you find this then? Where you just googling "evidence that the vaccines were bad" after your last linkdump failed?

Why did you leave out the fact this guy wasn't an expert in medicine or virology in your post, yet took the time to identify where he worked.

To me, that looks a bit like you were hiding that fact and trying to pretend that he was an expert in these things.

I think that's what the original source your taking this from did and you never bothered to question it. Or even alter the description.

So again, what research did you do yourself into this paper beyond just googling it a few minutes ago?

And why are you link dumping these things when you've already agreed with my statement that there's no evidence to link the vaccines to excess deaths or reduced birthrates.

snowcat · 14-08-2022 11:03AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471232#Comment_119471232

Its a paper on economics. I think you are the conspiracy theorist at this stage!

If you google "excess deaths vaccine roll out". Its really not that difficult.

14-08-2022 11:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471257#Comment_119471257

Ok. So why would a paper on economics prove or provide evidence that the vaccines are causing excess death and a reduction of birthrates?

I'm sure if I google any topic we can find a lot of bullshit supporting anything.

You haven't answered my questions though.

So again, in absence of an actual answer, I will have to make conclusions. You didn't look into him or his paper beyond googling it after your last linkdump fell flat. You didn't mention his speciality because you understood that undercuts the claims you're making.

I did google the term you suggested and I noticed that the first link is this one:

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-excess-mortality-idUSL2N2VS1BI

Big Bag of Chips · 14-08-2022 11:09AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119470676#Comment_119470676

This thread was brought to my attention about 50 pages ago. In that time the discussion has been about vaccine efficacy, whether it was mandatory or compulsary, how long protection is provided, the need for 3rd, 4th, 5th doses, the number of hospital admissions with Covid of vaccinated versus non vaccinated patients, the likelihood of needing to be hospitalised with Covid after being vaccinated, age profile of hospitalised patients. I'm sure there were also other topics. Very few posts on the safety of the vaccine.

Indeed many posters regularly engage in very lengthy arguments about all the above topics and then after a number of pages ask "What has this got to do with vaccine safety? ".

This thread is over 10,500 posts long. I have zero interest in going back through 350 pages and deleting (and potentially thread banning) all posts that do not directly address Covid vaccine safety.

This is a very active thread where multiple people are discussing multiple aspects surrounding Covid vaccines. Not just the safety of them. If any poster is here to try change the mind of someone on "the other side" I respectfully suggest you are in the wrong thread, in the wrong forum. Covid/Covid vaccine Conspiracy theorists are not going to change their minds. Non conspiracy theorists are not going to change their's. Neither side is going to convince the other, and neither side is going to convert the other.

This thread has not been about vaccine safety since I came in to it. Yet the discussion is very vert active. Possibly one of the most active threads on boards.ie at the moment. That is why the title was changed, and that is why the thread will be allowed to continue.

Participation in the discussion is entirely voluntary. Nobody has to be here, and nobody should feel the need to convince someone else they are wrong. They probably are wrong... But are unlikely to concede that on this thread.

Anybody who doesn't like the topic, the thread or the posters are always free to unfollow the thread and not be annoyed by watching it pop up regularly.

Fighting Tao · 14-08-2022 11:12AM

@snowcat you might find this interesting if you are genuinely interested in excess deaths. Select whatever countries you wish. The only thing is that it will probably disprove your arguments

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-average-baseline-by-age?country=

14-08-2022 11:12AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119471286#Comment_119471286

Ok. So this thread is now a general thread for conspiracies relating to the vaccines and the pandemic.

What steps will be taken to prevent this thread from just being a dumping ground for anti-vaxx nonsense that's not allowed in other forums?

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