What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

13-08-2022 12:21AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119466305#Comment_119466305

It is good news, but I think you posted this in the wrong thread

Faugheen · 13-08-2022 12:22AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119466294#Comment_119466294

Yep. McCain as a politician had many abhorrent views and, at the end of the day, was still a Republican.

However, he was always a good man. Losing in grace at the big stage and then calling out this fool on his bullsh*t until the very bitter end.

Regardless of his views, him voting against repealing Obamacare saved the lives of millions of people, especially after he voted against the Affordable Care Act in the first place.

Loafing Oaf · 13-08-2022 12:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119466329#Comment_119466329

Cheers you're right

Fathom · 13-08-2022 12:23AM

Questions why Mar-a-lago was the only Trump property searched? Why not his Trump Tower penthouse or Bedminster mansion or Trump Corporation offices?

Just think if the FBI found US secret and top secret documents in safes or storages overseas at one or more of his Golf Resorts? Over the 4 years as president he stayed at several of them. No telling where more (files and) boxes could be found given that they found 15 boxes in January and another 20 this week in just one location?

Overheal · 13-08-2022 12:24AM

The FBI planted the evidence that Trump said he was allowed to have because he allegedly declassified it

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1558232191313780739?s=20&t=xlxrxRirXcvAWoqJHn7pQQ

hmm

EltonJohn69 · 13-08-2022 12:36AM

Fox News know trump is a golden goose. They turn on him they loose viewers/money.

Fathom · 13-08-2022 12:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119466340#Comment_119466340

For secret and top secret documents there are required procedures and paperwork to declassify them. Doubt that Trump can merely say all these documents in these 15 and 20 boxes are now officially declassified (before Biden was sworn in). But there is a legal debate about this that differs generally along party lines.

13-08-2022 12:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119466309#Comment_119466309

Just scum being scum nothing new

Kermit.de.frog · 13-08-2022 01:21AM

Always a tweet...2016

Overheal · 13-08-2022 01:33AM

Book excerpt from Bob Woodward

Overheal · 13-08-2022 01:49AM

The violent meltdown is real

This isn't some no name, either, it's TPUSA founder Charlie Kirk:

Raids must be met with raids. State attorney generals that are Republican have to authorize raids against Soros groups, BLM, Planned Parenthood, the alphabet mafia, groomers, chemical castration of children — Now!

Here’s why — a hundred facilities should be raided by the next week. Find them. You try to tell me there’s not a hundred criminal organizations that are aiding and abetting people across the southern border.

La Raza, we know them, they publicized it. I’m not saying you have to arrest them, just raid them, find out what you find. Why? That will all of a sudden make them and their internal chatters — ‘Guys, You are so stupid. You raided Trump now they’re coming after us.’ Good. Now, you know, there’s a price to this!

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/raids-must-be-met-with-raids-charlie-kirk-urges-republican-ags-to-go-after-liberal-organizations-in-retaliation/

Overheal · 13-08-2022 04:23AM

This could have been written by any online troll:

As we can all relate to, everyone ends up having to bring home their work from time to time. American presidents are no different. President Trump, in order to prepare the work the next day, often took documents including classified documents to the residence.

He had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them. The power to classify and declassify documents rests solely with the president of the United States.

The idea that some paper-pushing bureaucrat with classification authority delegated by the president needs to approve the declassification is absurd.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trumps-office-issues-statement-claiming-he-gave-a-standing-order-that-automatically-declassified-any-documents-he-took-home-with-him/

TLDR: "I declassified the nuclear secrets I sold to Saudi Arabia that the FBI planted"

everlast75 · 13-08-2022 07:06AM

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1558266364179189761?t=UmqgACCFftcZifAaISJ5-g&s=09

1) complete and utter bullshit.

2) the charges the relevant statutes related to don't need to have classified documents involved, so it doesn't matter.

And btw....

3) he's a disgusting ***** for doxing those agents. Another absolutely outrageous action of a degenerate scumbag

Leroy42 · 13-08-2022 07:24AM

Whatever way Trump tries to argue this, it is clear that Trump is a direct threat to national security.

Whether that is through malice or simply stupidity or even a sense of ego the net result is that any patriotic American should never place such a person in a position to be able to put America in a disadvantage.

everlast75 · 13-08-2022 07:28AM

Hopefully the dam is breaking.....

https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1558199154526019589?t=vvc-YNqmirSrJCEehxXxRQ&s=09

Christy42 · 13-08-2022 07:45AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119466091#Comment_119466091

Interesting. I had wondered where the helicopter thing came from. I saw a lot of references to it in the run up to Jan 6th with regards Biden and Pelosi.

Igotadose · 13-08-2022 08:34AM

A TFG lackey posted info about one of the FBI agents involved in the confiscation of classified documents to Troooth Social. Amazingly, that post was taken down - not immediately but eventually.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ex-trump-aide-sics-maga-lackeys-on-alleged-fbi-agents-families?source=twitter&via=desktop

It is regretful the behavior of the lackey is not illegal, but the Constitution doesn't guarantee privacy, amiright Justice Alito?

Igotadose · 13-08-2022 08:43AM

An interesting analysis of what the charges mean. The espionage act violations, relating to 'top secret' documents found at Mar-a-Lago, aren't avoided by claims of the documents being declassified. That doesn't matter as some of them described items that are 'relating to the national defense.' So, if they found plans to new nuclear missiles that are top secret, one cannot just leave them laying around even if they are declassified.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/a-trump-indictment-over-mishandling-classified-documents-is-now-a-very-real-possibility

There's also this timeline in that link:

When the DOJ emerges from the quiet period after the November 8 elections, the next logical step would be an indictment, which might include charges other than violations of the Espionage Act.

As always with the law, time moves slowly. I doubt anything happens before the end of the year.

Igotadose · 13-08-2022 09:02AM

Saw this on a message board from a navy veteran. No reason to doubt the truthfulness:

Boggles · 13-08-2022 11:33AM

How can they be sure these documents have not been duplicated and already given to the person or persons that wanted them?

This could be extremely serious for Trump and circle, there is no plausible non nefarious reason for him to have those documents.

including some marked "TS/SCI", a designation for material that could cause "exceptionally grave" damage to US national security.

That's a different level of trouble.

Even if Trump is now saying the documents were declassified because of his magic powers or whatever other obvious BS he is now spouting, why did he have them is the question he will to have answer.

TheValeyard · 13-08-2022 11:37AM

If what's been reported is true then Trump is utterly fcuked. But the next question will be, how compromised is America?

duploelabs · 13-08-2022 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119467255#Comment_119467255

They're apparently dusting the documents for prints to see who's handled them

astrofool · 13-08-2022 11:41AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119467255#Comment_119467255

If "declassified" does that mean they should be available to the public as well?

Boggles · 13-08-2022 11:44AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119467276#Comment_119467276

Good question.

TheValeyard · 13-08-2022 11:46AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119467276#Comment_119467276

I've no Idea.

Are they're different levels of declassified? Like from Top Secret to Confidential level, all the way to public knowledge?

I'd say the sh1t we never hear about is unreal. Probably better off not knowing either!

Boggles · 13-08-2022 11:52AM

What is also hilarious is the Republican fúckwits who are coming out with every excuse under the sun to defend him.

They have no idea why he has these documents either.

IF I was one of these opportunistic snakes, this is one I wouldn't be available for comment on.

Would be telling which one of the senior ones have been on "holidays" since this happened and are not reachable.

astrofool · 13-08-2022 11:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119467289#Comment_119467289

Just from a quick reading, there is a 10-25 year wait for documents to be declassified (put in place by Obama) but this can be longer, depending on the document. Can't find anything to say that a declassified document shouldn't be available publicly (how would that even work?).

But it does put trump in a bind (which his supporters will find hard to argue, but will try), if they are declassified, then trump himself can release all the details, him not releasing them implies they aren't declassified thus he committed a felony. They will be like Schrodinger's tax return.

Podge_irl · 13-08-2022 12:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119467318#Comment_119467318

Declassified is not going to be the same as public. There are procedures in place to formally declassify things, but as with many aspects of the Trump presidency norms are not necessarily the same as laws and in reality the President does have full authority to declassify anything.

That being said, he does not have full authority, particularly after he is no longer president, to just essentially steal whatever documents he wants - declassified or otherwise.

In a normal world this would be enough to simply disqualify him from running in 2024 purely politically, but those norms are again basically broken.