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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭thomil


    Saki is the name of the district that Novofeodorivka is located in. So it's the same air base as in the other videos and images, just from another angle. Whatever was hit didn't react too well to explosives, obviously...

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,615 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭thomil


    Well, Russian press releases talk about detonating aircraft ammunition, which I have to say is a masterpiece in phrasing, especially since they don't specify the origin of the ammunition 😉

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,457 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I am wondering, how long can the Russians keep up their operations in Ukraine if the Ukrainians are constantly targeting their ammo dumps, supply routes, command centres and bridges? Is there a point with inventory and logistics simply collapsing with the Russian Army having to withdraw from large pockets of territory simple to survive?

    It seems that their offence in the Donbas has completely stalled now for the past month or so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,885 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It depends on the specific HIMARS rockets, they use, some have 300km range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭thomil


    True, and ATACMS, the missile in question, has been mentioned as a possible "culprit" in this attack. The thing is that ATACMS hasn't been provided to Ukraine yet, at least not officially. Granted, that doesn't mean much, the US only recently admitted to supplying AGM-88 HARM anti-radar missiles to Ukraine, but we can't rule out a strike with Ukraine's indigenous Neptun SSM either, which does have a land-attack mode. It might even have been an air raid, with HARM available, it would very much be feasible to knock a "hole" into Russian air defense systems through which a strike package could attack. Finally, it could very well be a special forces operation. Judging from Google Maps, perimeter security at the air base does not seem particularly tight, so a spec ops team could likely penetrate the site, especially at night. Place a few timed charges somewhere in a dark corner, get out, and watch the fireworks next morning.

    Bottom line is that we don't know for sure how Ukraine attacked. And I think Ukrainian high command would like to keep it that way as long as possible in order to keep the advantage.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,500 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    What always intrigues me about Russian air bases is that looking at the Google satellite images they seem to leave all the aircraft parked on the apron next to each other out in the open for everyone to see, and bomb!, whereas any NATO bases I've looked at have their aircraft tucked away in, presumably at least partially blast proof, hangars distributed over the base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,660 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The Kremlin propaganda machine is trying to claim the airfield events were accidental but those explosions look huge for something that is supposedly an accident. Have any other military airfields in Europe blown up like this in the last decade?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭zv2


    It might also be possible to fly a suicide drone right into the ammo depo.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭thomil


    None that I can remember, certainly not without some outside "help" in getting the whole conflagration started. And to be perfectly honest, the Kremlin line is about as believable as a 75€ bill. There are some videos that show almost simultaneous explosions at locations that must be a good few hundred meters apart. Unless Russia has some new quantum-entangled explosives, an accident in one ammunition dump should not set up a secondary that far away.

    There are actually quite a few ex Soviet air bases in Eastern Germany and the Czech Republic with similar hardened aircraft shelters. Just check out Peenemünde airfield, the former airfield at Brand (just look for Tropical Islands on Google Maps and you'll find it) or Neubrandenburg airport in Germany, or Hradcany airfield in the Czech Republic for example. All these are ex-Soviet air bases that still sport some extensive shelter complexes. From what I understand, the USSR mainly kept their shelters confined to "frontline" bases that were likely to be directly attacked if the cold war ever got hot. Bases like Nova Feodorivka, the one that is currently busy spreading itself over the surrounding countryside, were very much second-line stations that wouldn't have to worry about immediate air attack, hence the rather more open layout.

    It is worth noting that the "west" also used these open layouts up until well into the 1960s or early 1970s. Just check out aerial images of bases like Da Nang or Cam Ranh Bay in Vietnam dated back to the Vietnam War, and you'll see a lot of open revetments but now hardened shelters.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,660 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Some suggestions that the Russians lost a large number of planes and helicopters at the airfield (well into the dozens) with multiple explosions. Looks like this was a quite huge attack by the Ukrainians - no wonder the regime has gone into panicked denials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,660 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Not just a single explosion btw. Some Ukrainian observers are reporting multiple explosions at the airfield spread out over a considerable distance (suggesting the use of a lot of missiles).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Will be interesting to see the Russians response to this.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭jackboy


    With Crimea being at the receiving end of such an attack there will be pressure on Russia to respond with a spectacular attack. What are they capable of though beyond a nuke. I don’t think we are in nuke territory yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL


    Who knows. I'd say there is a possibility they would go chemical before nuclear but this is obviously a massive widespread success for Ukraine with multiple targets and explosions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    Beverly Hills, California



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Yes, there is a point where they would seriously consider that. We have already had a nuclear plant bombed this week. No one should be complacent of where this could be heading.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,615 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Be great if true. A sign things really are not going well for the Orc invader.

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    Something I wondered about some time back is alluded to @6.45




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,660 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It actually makes sense. It would be pointless for them to listen to the tyrant in the Kremlin or state TV. They know full well that remaining in Kherson may be very dangerous and it's 'better safe than sorry'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭blarney_boy


    The Ukrainian wit is very dry in this report


    "russian tourists flee crimean resort due to sudden climatic changes" . . .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber


    Interesting and concerning. BBC describes it as a "major escalation". I just hope civilians don't bear the brunt of any retaliation though fear that, as usual, they will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭rogber


    "Lack of protests in Moscow and Leningrad": what decade did the news anchor wake up in?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭SortingYouOut


    There definitely is, but we're nowhere near that point. We've had shelling near a nuclear plant, and then the classic media blow up designed to do nothing more other than generate revenue. Quotes and reports of landmines on the site are being discredited, but Sky News still ride the coattails of the story today with a headline stating that shelling around the plant continues, even though they're referring to Nikopol over 60km away.

    There's no nuclear threat, at the plant or by weapon. Any risk comes from meltdown from accidental power cut, but that will only happen unintentionally and there failsafes in place to allow time for prevention, which would be the ideal outcome for both parties.

    Russia isn't going to radiate the place and their own country, it wouldn't make any sense.

    Talking of "nuke territory" is beyond premature.

    Beverly Hills, California



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭zv2




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    One person died as a result of explosions in Novofedorovka - the head of the Crimea Aksyonov. Earlier, the Crimean Ministry of Health reported five victims.


    Dundalk, Co. Louth



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