Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Sounds very odd to me that . Fleeing war and yet now coping with living somewhere safe.

<snip>it doesn’t occur to you why people who are forced to flee their homes might be suffering and now do indeed need help with living somewhere safe. Simply living somewhere safe doesn’t mean they aren’t struggling to cope with being uprooted from the life they once knew and are desperate to return to -

A recent survey of Ukrainian refugees in seven countries by the United Nations high commissioner for refugees found that while most wanted to return to Ukraine eventually, only 16% planned to do so imminently.

“People are here with their kids, but without husbands, without parents, and often without money or work,” she said. “They are in this situation where it’s impossible to make plans.”

However, it will not be easy for her to build a new life abroad. She does not speak English or Hungarian, and has only been offered long shifts doing manual labour in warehouses, or cleaning hotels, which do not seem compatible with looking after her son. She has already spent most her savings. But she said she cannot return home while there is still the possibility of Russian missile attacks.

PRAVDA RTE doing its best not to tell the full details of what is going on.

""The president of the Union of Students in Ireland has said that the Government must introduce legislation which offers protection to student renters.

Many students have been told that their planned student accommodation is now being offered on the open market, particularly in Donegal, Galway and Kerry.

Purpose-built student accommodation that had been ringfenced is now not being made available in many instances.""

'Offered on the open market'

On the open market my arse, these private operators are signing contracts directly with the govt in those counties to house refugees.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0808/1314579-student-accommodation/

On the open market my arse, these private operators are signing contracts directly with the govt in those counties to house refugees.

You have proof for that claim? I mean that's not something you'd just pull out of your arsé and try and state as fact is it?

In your own good time.

Lol, according to boggles the Ukrainians are paying market rate on the open market to rent these student accomodation places 🤣🤣

The delusion is strong with this one

Where are students supposed to live? Wherever they can, would seem like the most obvious answer to that question.

Students are not being blocked from occupying accommodation they have booked and paid for. Students who booked single rooms are being told they face losing a place, if they don’t switch to twin rooms this year -

A leading private student accommodation operator in Galway has told those who booked single rooms that they face losing a place, if they do not switch to twin rooms this academic year.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0806/1314321-student-accommodation/

There is a shortage of student accommodation all over the country, it has nothing to do with accommodating Ukrainian refugees or people who are homeless temporarily in student accommodation while there were no students requiring accommodation.

This year is no different than any other year when taxpayers of this country and parents of those students, mostly Irish, funded students. They still had to pay big fees (and international students pay even greater fees and are in greater need of student accommodation) and many costs, often paying big rents for their accommodation.

You’re acting like this year it’s somehow different and that refugees actually are being prioritised for accommodation in the same way that last year there were complaints that people who are homeless were being prioritised by being accommodated temporarily in student accommodation, but that’s entirely at the behest of student accommodation providers. It’s up to student accommodation providers who they wish to provide accommodation for, regardless of how many taxpayers or parents or even students imagine they are entitled to be prioritised over other people.

It’s not any different this year than it has been in previous years when student accommodation was only one aspect of pursuing third level education in Ireland. It has nothing to do with accommodating Ukrainian refugees, they’re just the latest target of concern trolls who make the same argument about student accommodation every year while pointing the finger at some group who they say is to blame for the lack of student accommodation and people taking advantage of the lack of student accommodation to charge enormous rents in a high-demand market -

https://www.internationalstudents.ie/news/student-accommodation-crisis-leading-exploitation-international-students-irish-council

You’re hardly going to pretend that Irish taxpayers and parents who have availed of third level education themselves, weren’t aware of these issues when they were third level students themselves 20 years ago?

It’s not new, and your interest in raising the issue now just looks like you’re looking to blame someone else for issues which have always existed in Ireland and have nothing to do with anyone being temporarily accommodated in student accommodation while it wasn’t being occupied by students.

Nice try with the deflection.

It doesn't fool anybody.

Some refugees will remain occupying the student accommodation, and the govt has signed contracts with former student accommodation providers, thus removing those rooms from the market.

Its not a new problem, but it is getting MUCH worse due to the govt contracting thousands of student rooms for refugees.

End of story.

The deflection isn’t on my part at all. The deflecting is trying to find every reason why Ukrainian refugees cannot be accommodated, when in reality the reasons you’re bringing up have existed for years already. That you’re thinking people weren’t aware of them before now, is entirely on you.

Again that's your opinion, not a fact. Do you need me to explain the difference?

You do understand that the state are not accommodating all Ukrainian refugees right?

Sweet Jesus I've heard it all now, who else is block booking these places for Ukrainians pray tell us? Do u actually live in this country? - genuine question!

How do you know anyone is block booking anything? genuine question!

According to a government TD it's not the government. Now if you have evidence to the contrary then link it up, I'll gladly take a peek.

People who own private property are entitled to do what they wish with that private property within the remit of the law, unless you are suggesting the law needs to be changed?

So you’re saying the Ukrainians who we are paying full dole to are renting the accommodation not the government? If so they don’t need our financial help?

No, that's not even remotely what I said.

We aren't talking about hotels are we?

Some vague reference to some accommodation which traditionally was used for students and holiday lets.

Again where is your evidence that this is being block booked by anyone?

If you could leave the tooth fairies and strawmen out of it, I'd appreciate it. 👍️

It’s time for FF and FG to die for good. FF had the banking bailout and now this. These people only care about themselves and vested interests. The Galway races tent never went away. SF are even worse.

You’re competing against your own government for housing and rentals. First it was those on social welfare for life demanding a forever home in D1, something working people can’t afford and are commuting hours to work and be taxed at every turn.

We need to instill fear in our political class. Tear down election posters and shout down canvassers in the street. Make the political class feel unsafe. They are traitors and need to be treated as such. They generated this mess intentionally to increase property prices for themselves and their cronies.

Will you stop. Any benefits Irish kids are getting is because we as parents worked hard and paid taxes, so our society would be better for it.

Now people like you think we can invite anyone from Ukriane in and take all those benefits? Thats what uncapped migration is.

I tell you what, if you want to help. Sell your house and give that money and all your savings to any Ukrianinan fleeing.

Just leave us (worried tax payers) out of your virtue signalling, I stand with everything thing myopic world.

I tend to agree… they won’t have the stones to send them back….

say in two years the war is over and how many people serving in the Ukrainian army will be seeking to get out of dodge, somewhere safe, be with their relatives.. easy and safe life.. handouts, better quality of life..ie. Come here too ? .. hundreds of thousands… politicians won’t have the stones to say no.

who looses ? WE do. We are going to be thrown under the bus, time and time again….