Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Apologies if this is OT, would the unemployment figures include Ukranians?

And still no opinion...?

Do you reckon it’s possible that anyone who doesn’t share your opinion, might have a different perspective than yours? That perhaps they’re not concerned with Government incompetence and are perhaps more concerned with helping anyone who needs it, regardless of their circumstances?

Essentially, that they may not think the same way you do? That’s why the ‘we’ in your above argument just doesn’t work - because not everyone shares your perspective.

I would. I would probably have my pick of houses too, as I have been working and saving quite well. I might be stupid for not taking advantage and getting into bed with certain parties and being handed my money, but I am happy in the knowledge I have earned it honestly. And yes, I would feel pretty safe over there now.

I haven't merged your post with the one above it as it wouldn't make sense. I hadn't read that other posters post, so you telling me that the homeless can't commute to college would have made no sense at all. Nothing.

Suggesting that I don't have empathy after me pointing out that those going on about having empathy are avoiding mentioning the other Refugees etc, has a smell of "I know you are, but what am I?" about it, don't you think?

First of all, I have never said whether or not I 'care' about these people either way. Nor do I intend to. But I am not "Whipping up resentment for Ukrainian Refugees", I am highlighting how ludicrous this whole thing is, and it can't go on the way it has been. There are plenty enough people on this thread alleging to have empathy with others when we know they couldn't really give a sh*t. Most of them are just trying to stay 'loyal' to their beloved party, like football hooligans using their team as an excuse to participate in a riot. Not a single unique opinion between any of them.

I haven't seen any newspapers whipping up any frenzy either, in fact as far as I can see they are doing a pretty poor job in giving the broader picture of what is actually happening. Writing a bit here and there about Lisdoonvarna or a Hotel in Youghal is fairly good, but that is just drip feeding and not really highlighting the bigger problems.

The point I made about the people pretending to care about one group was about those in this thread, not the media. That they show all of this new found empathy for Ukrainians, but not a mention of the other Refugees or people living in DP, as well as the homeless.

Me pointing that out and you making out that I am the one faking empathy stinks of "I know you are, but what am I?".

The point about the mainstream media was that they don't get a mention anymore, you linked to two articles, neither were really talking about the homeless that are currently on our streets, they were more about the numbers that we could be facing if all of these recent eviction notices result in many not getting houses. Not really 'plenty of mention' and not on the same lines/capacity as I was referring to, but I accepted it. It has been toned down for the reasons I have mentioned already.

Genuinely have no idea what you are referring to when you say I am using the "we" word in relation to sharing opinion. I am not. You may be picking it up that way, I may not be articulating myself well, but that is not what I am doing.

I have not seen any of the threads trying to whip up resentment against the homeless, but I have seen threads with posters on this thread alleging to empathise with the Ukrainians, dismiss the homeless as though it is not only their own fault, but only their problem. As for expecting them to start a thread to highlight the plight of people you think you know they care about, you cannot speak for everyone that has the same opinion as you either. There is enough of them with this incredible need to tell us all about how they empathise with the Ukrainians, how they have heard about their plight, and that anyone that thinks we don't have the resources or otherwise for what is being forced upon us are xenophobes etc. Why would they only feel the need to speak out in this thread? How are they not seeing the people that are being displaced and speaking out about that? Is there a reason? If it's because there is no thread, that is easily fixed.

That is pretty much covered above.

With one or two additions. I never claimed that people don't care about other people. I am saying that many of the posters here claiming to have empathy for the Ukrainians, don't seem to have it for others. So before you try and twist any of my words, read them properly first.

I wasn't aware of the media highlighting the issues around the landlords issuing a 58% rise to renters, at that time you linked, no, as I had a day off work today and it was a scorcher, I hadn't sat down to read the news. But as mentioned, it wasn't really referring to the homeless that are currently on the streets, it was about the ones that may end up there. Issuing a temporary ban etc. to stop that from happening. And was more or less a breaking story, not the ongoing one.

I am aware the media do exaggerate when it suits them, but no, in this instance they aren't doing a great job at all.

Second class citizens in their own country. The cheerleaders will be on soon telling us how great this is.

The students need somewhere to stay, enough is enough. Don't treat them like second class citizens.

Many Irish would stay in a free holiday home all year round including welfare (while working too) thrown in if they could.

What a stupid statement.

These are refugees , a holiday home in Dingle with welfare, education and the right to work, that is 5 star treatment compared to most refugees around the world or even for refugees in Ireland in the very recent past!!!

They are free to go out and get a job and find and rent their own place now just like everybody else.

They just arrived in the country its normal for migrants to move around and improve themselves.

They have been granted the great privilege of getting PPS nos issued instantly , legal working immigrants can wait months for PPS nos. to be issued and other refugees waited years previously. Waiting lists for working permits have taken many months to clear. These working immigrants need to pay a lot of money too for permit processing and docs.

As your Ukranian friends have jobs they can now find a better place themselves if they are not satisfied about their free accommodation options. Why is the state paying and giving them accommodation if they have both jobs and benefits already?

The students aint getting much free.

If they both have jobs then they’re in exactly the same position as every Irish citizen trying to find a place to rent. They can join the melee of house hunting and experience what it is to be Irish in these glorious times.

That's the reality for many renters at the moment. Landlords sells up and good luck.

At least the Ukranians have two routes, private renting and a bottomless pit of government money working on their behalf

They have the same worries as countless Irish citizens so. But luckily for them while they are both working they are getting free accommodation. They also won’t end up in a mouldy tent, they will end up in a nice cosy 4 star hotel with 3 square meals a day while the Irish citizens are told go whistle.

Well, when you get to leave a war-torn country you can compare your experiences. The Ukrainian law prohibiting men of 18-60 from leaving the country came into effect on Feb 24th. It's very likely that there will have been some in that age group and older of course who got out. My point BTW is also that very many of them will ultimately return home.