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Summer transfer thread 2022

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,487 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I don't think so, any article linking the money they are raising to their ability to register players this current season just isn't accurate, or at the very least is not fully understanding the situation. They don't have a cash flow issue anymore, they have a wage limit issue. Conflating two separate issues.

    La Liga wage rules are done prospective, the wage rules are based on prior year figures. The money they are raising this summer from selling equity and the family silver isn't a factor. So you know what, yes okay then, they can use a 4th 5th 6th and 7th lever if they want to raise cash right. It won't have an impact on their wages issue.

    They need to get wages off the books, either by sales, loans or getting players to sign deals giving up a lot of salary this season, as you would imagine they will have a pretty hefty wage cap next season.

    Pique getting hit up again for a pay cut is no surprise, alba is one they should be pressuring, apparently he's on 400k a week? Mental stuff.

    The debt in itself is now manageable, the short term debt is solved. All clubs have debt, Barca generate the most money in the world and the debt isn't really an issue now they have taken care of the short term 700mil or whatever it was, their interest payments are very manageable

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,452 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    How can you say their debt is manageable? They owe 1.2bn ffs and surely must be the world's most indebted club.

    Plus they are selling off the means of paying off this debt in the future, just so they can act Johnnny Big Balls now and sign a pile of player's. This logic is absolutely crazy and they will be lucky to come out the other side of this.

    They should be consolidating for a few seasons and accept they won't win anything, and try to get their wage structure and finances in some sort of order.



  • Posts: 847 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It all just seems such short term thinking, selling off shares in everything the own is just costing them future revenue and so the cycle starts again.

    It almost seems all or nothing, they have to be hugely successful right now or there may not be a club in a few years, certainly not the club we know now anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,342 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    I don't think it's sad, I think it's flippin hilarious tbh. Since PSG humiliated them over Neymar it's been one ridiculous transfer fee and salary after another.

    Coutinho €100m + & €400k a week

    Greizman €100m + €400k a week

    Dembele €120m + & €300k a week

    It's completely and utterly of their own making and it's fantastic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    This is my understanding of the situation as well. The La Liga wage cap for a club is based off cash flow and income, of which Barca suffered and so had there wage cap reduced. However, they had a number of players on big wages already. Selling off assets will allow their wage cap to be larger next season, but it obviously hampers them with debt and it doesn't solve the short term issue of registering new players with the current cap.

    No idea what they felt the need to try and do it all this transfer window though. It is risky if they can't register players or if they do not have short term immediate success on the pitch.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Reports today linking Chelsea with a 70 million bid for Forfana of Leicester.

    Certainly looking to make a statement are Chelsea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,487 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I don't really see a point in me trying to convince you otherwise but the debt is manageable now. I'd recommend reading up on it, Swiss ramble does very good analysis of clubs financials and the Barcelona one was referenced here before I'm sure.

    Things were very bleak for Barca with covid, and 2021 things were the worst they have ever been for them. It was the coming home to roost of years of poor financial decisions but it didn't kill them so here we are. They are in a better spot now, though of course they still have plenty of work to do and I think the selling off of the future of the club is still poor strategy, it is what it is though. They have solved their short term debt problem, they have very manageable interest payments, they are on course to soon be returning to record turnover levels.

    Best thing to do is look beyond the headlines really, I know I only did so due to being interested in what was happening with the de Jong deal but it's well worth it.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,487 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    It is very much an all in strategy I think yeah, they need to get back on track in terms of their revenue stream and they could really do with the injection a super league would bring but who knows, maybe they will pull it off.

    They have had some success so far in getting their finances under control, if they hadn't sorted out that short term 700m or whatever it was I think they would already be gone, but they broke the back of that so they have no reason to stop their balls to the wall strategy I suppose in their own minds.

    Covid is past, some huge wages off the books, some huge exceptional loss figures behind them. I'd have probably enjoyed an implosion but I genuinely think they have avoided the hangman's noose at this stage.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Missed this yesterday West Ham have signed Cornet on a 5 year deal from Burnley for the £17.5m buyout clause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    Conor Coady off to Everton it seems.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,054 ✭✭✭wanderer100


    Werner going back to Leipzig, here we go from Romano



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,694 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    His career really nosedived when he went to Chelsea,just shows you shouldn't always follow the money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,567 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    I don’t blame him for following the money, most of us would’ve done the same in his situation. The stupid decision he made was signing for a team managed by Lampard at the time, he was immediately at a disadvantage playing for such a novice manager. Hopefully he can recapture his old form back at Leipzig, he was a joy to watch there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The Athletic reporting Man U have made a move for Arnautovic

    Bologna want £10m for the 33 year old.

    That really is a mid table/relegation team signing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Some mad report from Gerard Romero this afternoon that deJong will go to PSG with Verratti then going to Man City and then Silva going to Barca.

    That would be some merry go round of transfers.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,109 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Was a tricky set of circumstances though, in that he had a buyout clause that kept his price down, but it needed to be triggered during the covid delay period. Only one club was able to meet it at the time... had he waited, his price would've skyrocketed, so he took the only offer on the table. Especially with the total uncertainty around everything at the time.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    With Man United looking on from the sidelines, if that happens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,455 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Linked with Rabiot for 15m. Hope that and Arnautovic happens. You'd need to close down this forum for a few weeks til things calm down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,872 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Arnautovic has had to defend some comments he has made in the past, insisting he is not a racist.

    Rabiot & his mother seem to cause problems at clubs he plays for.

    I wonder how they will fit into an already toxic dressing room full of egos and leaks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    I hope United sign Rabiot just for the drama , to be fair it never seems to be him who starts it its his mam/agent



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,189 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    United putting out briefings all summer that the toxic players are gone and now they want to add Arnautovic and Rabiot. They genuinely have no clue what they are doing at that club, none.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,361 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Coady to Everton is.... weird, isn't he still the Wolves captain?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,954 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    United have a greed a deal with Juve for Rabiot according to Sky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Was Rabiot another one of these free signing that Juve signed and put them on £400k a week like Ramsey?

    That Juve business model was crazy there for a while a least they seem to be trying to straighen it out a bit unlike Barca who just doubled,tripled and quadrupled down



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,668 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Probably dropped to 3rd choice CB now.

    Also he's a Liverpool fan!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Jarhead_Tendler


    Rabiot can't be any worse than McFred. Astronaut will do a job for a season. He is a better frontman than what they have excluding Ronaldo of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    I just don't understand why Man U aren't offering the £30m Leicester for a proven premier league midfielder in Tielemans



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,487 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    The leaks have pretty much dried up now tbf & I don't hear very much about a toxic atmosphere in the dressing room (give it a few weeks though)

    Arnautovic has to be bollix, Rabiot is the kind of cheap panicky signing I could see the club making though unfortunately.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,487 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Would make too much sense.

    Plus I reckon Tielemans is holding out for a CL club, weren't Arsenal supposed to be in for him too only to be told he didn't want to join a team not playing in CL?

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,758 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Tielemans career has been unusual.

    Only 25 but heading into 10 season as a pro. The time at Monaco did not work out but he has had a good time at Leicester. He will be on a free next summer so if he likes Leicester but wants to make a move a regular Champions League club he may as well wait it out.

    Having no fee will offer him a lot more options if the super rich are not looking at him, including reaching an agreement in the winter, for example a Juventus, Borrusia Dortmund or Atletico Madrid could pay him a good wage if they had no fee to pay.



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