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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭moceri


    I thought all Ukranian men were barred from leaving the country?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    They were supposed to be, but many have special circumstances that allows them to come over here and reap the benefits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,355 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    No there are exemptions . Anyone with a disability or long term ilness or in treatment for cancer , anyone whos child has a disability , any father who is a single parent , any husband who is a carer for his wife , any father of three or more children .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭moceri


    That sounds like a big chunk of the population.... three or more children



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,916 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    thats only 9m a year, and 52% of that goes straight back to the taxpayer. tomorrow i'll look to see who owns those hotels

    it does give me confidence though. there is surely not 1 homeless person in ireland. as in, if we take care of refugees to that extent, we must surely extend the same to our own less fortunate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    All Muslims are terrorists, all Ukrainians are gangsters. Gotcha. And you have your National Party application form already filled out... 🙄

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    People on this site sure have strange conversations. I've never had a conversation in person with anyone about boards.ie. You're having them with a Ukrainian who is passing on the opinion of his wife about an Irish message board site.


    Do you know that last year the prices for an apartment in Kyiv were $1,131 according to this link


    Oh, sorry, that is $1,131 per metre squared.......but maybe the houses you are talking about at 1mx1m size.

    If you believe it, you can also do it too Suckit. Send over 100k and buy yourself up an entire apartment block and just wait for EU accession. Profit for you. Your two guinness there probably cost 1% of the price of these houses you know exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Can you not just be happy that that lady and her 9 year old child are not the existential threat to you that (you imagined) they were when they were here?


    What were you afraid of? That some people would come in who could hardly speak English and within a few months would have hit the ground and bypassed yourself in terms of success? The solution to that is to put your energy into improving yourself, not in trying to keep others down or wasting energy concocting bogeymen to use as excuses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I'm shocked imagine a capital city being completely out of line in price with vast majority of the country. 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    Do you think that an average 100 sq m in Kyiv is 120x times the price of an average house elsewhere in the country? 800 Euro for a house in Ukraine, but over 100k for a regular sized average apartment in the capital?

    I admire the faith of ye people who are so great at blindly believing any hyperbolic statement that suits your agenda.


    Cue calls for me to provide a breakdown of every single house sale in Ukraine over the past 20 years to prove that the average price is indeed not more than 800 Euro.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Back to not speaking English. Even though it's the second most popular language in Ukraine. This is the shrodringer Refugee again. How are they filling out forms for jobs That we are told they are taking. So unless there all hotel workers they will need to speak English. The older generation will not be working anyway. Come on I waited with baited breath on an explanation. Translators will not count even working in a shop you need to understand a customer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 463 ✭✭moceri




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    Throughout the city, more and more apartment blocks and “living complexes” – essentially gated communities of apartment buildings – are springing up.

    And you wonder why the price difference ? What next most expensive part of Dublin used to say Mayo is just as expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Well that poor imaginary fella in Bunratty is going to get a shock then when he finds that there are no need for his cash-in-hand translation services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,954 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    See they’d have to pay for those themselves- on the other hand they can come here get the same for free paid for by you and I- and a shed load of free cash into the bargain. It’s a no brainer as evidenced by the ever spiralling numbers arriving



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,273 ✭✭✭xxxxxxl


    I let that slide as it's fancy apartment blocks in their version of the fancy part of Dublin. There was no real point to linking it in the first place. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I'll let you in on a secret.

    His wife didn't say that. I'm not even sure he is married to his partner, and I doubt she even know boards exists. That 'story' was in homage to some of the bizarre ones here. I didn't even think it was believable, nor was it supposed to be.

    Although he is living here 14 years, he is fairly clued in on what is happening with the Refugees, and he is well aware of the Cigarette and alcohol smugglers. Apparently got himself a couple of bottles of some mad stuff from back home. But he doesn't smoke. I haven't yet brooched much of the discussions of here with him, but he is aware that I don't believe we have what is needed to take them in. His family are over there and under no fear of threat at all. I asked him if they were seeking refuge and he said they weren't. But I got the impression that wasn't the end of it.

    The other two lads are refugees, he has brought them in to allotments and is helping them, not sure they need it.

    As for the price of apartments in Kyiv, I am well aware they are a lot more than the rest of the country, but there are some on the outskirts and going in towards the centre that are for sale at the minute, Prices on the outskirts are a lot cheaper, and you wouldn't have to get an apartment. I am guessing also, that you might get them a little cheaper if you offer them cash while this war is going on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    That's fair enough. It's obviously too old to give an indication of anything.


    It wouldn't be like an anecdote on here of someone who happened to have a conversation with a Ukrainian today. Where the Ukrainian told them that he was selling all his free prams for cash on donedeal and using the money to buy massive supermarket complexes back home. And that it is apparently only 50p for a massive IKEA store in downtown Kyiv. And that the same Ukrainian was laughing at the Irish for first giving them all the free prams, and then buying them second hand off him on donedeal for twice the retail price.

    Now that would be something you could believe. Not like an article from almost 12 months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Do you think that an average 100 sq m in Kyiv is 120x times the price of an average house elsewhere in the country? 800 Euro for a house in Ukraine, but over 100k for a regular sized average apartment in the capital?

    I'm not sure I get your point here, are your refusing to believe a house can be purchased for €800 over there, or are you saying that an apartment in Kyiv is 120x times €800, but you don't believe it?

    An apartment in Kyiv can be bought for less than €15k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Two random homes for sale. I didn't look hard at all

    Kyiv - 5 room apartment €13,500 https://realting.com/property-for-sale/ukraine/dmd-consulting/1271546

    Odessa - Townhouse €785 https://realting.com/property-for-sale/ukraine/pervaya-rieltorskaya-kompaniya/729417

    I have seen others. I guess they are not 'prime' areas. Similar to buying rural Leitrim or Longford about 6 or 7 years ago before FG had finished creating this mess. There were rural houses for as little as €8k. Not sure how low the lowest priced apartments in Dublin went for though.

    More options here that may take a few more months than 1 - https://en.arkadia.com/for-sale/ukraine-g804/?orderby=total_sale_price+asc



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  • Posts: 634 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Saw a post from a woman. She and her mother are in letterkenny. She wants accommodation in Dublin instead as apparently she found a job there and the climate in letterkenny doesn’t suit her mother. Jesus haha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Barbosa92


    Is she looking for free accommodation in Dublin? She has a job lined up so shouldn’t she be on daft looking for a place to rent like any other person in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    “How are they filling out forms for jobs That we are told they are taking”

    Volunteers and people working with employment agencies help with all form filling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,819 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You didn’t have to comfort a distraught resident of Bucha who saw her family home blown to smithereens on the news. Her husband, father and brothers stayed behind. She and her sister in law want to return to be with their menfolk, but they have no home to return to. And the men want to know that their wives and children are safe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Polish is second most popular language in Ireland. How's your Polish?

    I'm in regular contact with Ukrainian refugees. In general, in school, they learn Ukrainian, Russian, and one or two other languages. So, more than our English, rudimentary Irish, and one other western-European language. I've met/communicated with Ukrainians who have Polish, Romanian, Greek, French, Spanish, German. I've met a few who have five languages, and their English is coming along nicely as a sixth. Some have very good English. All of them have better English than my Ukrainian.

    They are filling out applications for jobs because they're being helped to fill out forms, either by Ukrainians with better English or by Irish people who have some empathy. Are they applying for or getting jobs in customer-facing roles if they don't have good English? Generally not. Are there other jobs they can do that don't require a lot of interaction with people in English? Yes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Ah yep, full of it, I thought I would join in with the others for a little story, but really only to the idiots that his wife told me about.


    No I didn't, and I am all the better for it, thanks. I don't get why you are pushing this bleeding heart narrative on me it really won't have any affect coming from you.

    I didn't see any of your posts like that about any of the other refugees, nor the ones that are being displaced now to make room for more Ukrainians coming in. Is there a bit of selective sympathy going on there?

    I can't imagine the mass confusion and crowding on public transport if FG had managed to close as many post offices as they had originally planned. I think in the end it was around 160 that closed, do any of those towns have refugees? Are those closures the reason there are so many in one town? I hope this lady has a large Gardai presence near her for this lot, even if it is just until her new retirement date.


    In the post office on the main street, Joanne O'Gorman is suddenly one of the busiest postmistresses in Ireland. She says she is second only to the GPO in Dublin for processing welfare supports for Ukrainian refugees.

    'It all happened overnight and nobody knew it was going to happen,' she told the MoS. 'I opened here one Thursday morning on what was supposed to be a normal day and there was a queue to the square.'

    Joanne described communication as 'impossible'. Both parties must speak into a translating app, further prolonging the process.

    'It's probably too much for a small town, but for them as well because there aren't the facilities around here,' said Joanne, who has brought forward her retirement date to the end of this month.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭hawley


    Hotel will be part of a company. The amount going back to the government is a lot less than 52 per cent. A number of these hotels were bought cut price from Nama and now they're charging extortionate rates for accommodating refugees. It's not what you know. Remember Leo's friend Maitiu encouraging an associate to get into the business of housing refugees. They obviously knew that this is going to be a regular occurrence. There'll be a continuous refugee "crisis" in Ireland for the next decade. The wealthy get wealthier from all of these events. Ordinary people end up paying for it.

    Communication was the greatest fatality



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,522 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Jesus, lisdoonvarna had a population of 800 n now has 900 Ukrainians after moving in. Gormanstown style tents should be put in every politicians gardens n give them a taste of the experience instead of random towns that are unfortunate enough to have a few hotels getting swamped.



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