Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Suckit · 06-08-2022 03:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437385#Comment_119437385

That's the reality, but some here are, of course, twisting that to "feckless lazy Ukrainians watching telly all day." But we're not allowed say they're xenophobic... 🙄

You can twist anything you want and have done.

Some are stating that we can and must fit them all in and of course continue to pay for everything while giving them a prize amount of benefits every week, but we're not allowed to suggest that's not sustainable and will cause a massive strain on the whole country among other things, without being called a racist or xenophobe - among other things.

bloopy · 06-08-2022 03:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437411#Comment_119437411

A bigger issue down the line is when people wont give a s**t anymore about being called a racist or xenophobe.

That is when the fun will really start. We are already quite a ways down that path as it is.

malinheader · 06-08-2022 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437447#Comment_119437447

Sooner the better , especially for public representative's and mainstream media outlets. Then some of the proper issues affecting the country might be addressed properly.

06-08-2022 03:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437367#Comment_119437367

Strange way to phrase single parents allowance!

Tonesjones · 06-08-2022 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119436674#Comment_119436674

So we have lost control of our borders.

Brussels has assumed command.

The UK can let in 10 or 10 million. Ireland gets no choice .

Is that accurate? Yes it is

xxxxxxl · 06-08-2022 04:31PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119436728#Comment_119436728

I'm sure there is something in this legislation that has provisions about safety ability and sustainability of catering for said refugees. Even bad legislation from the EU tends to have caveats. Anyone got a link.

road_high · 06-08-2022 04:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437601#Comment_119437601

I’m in generally in favour of our EU membership but what’s wearing very very thin now is our massively overpaid political class here devolving everything to Brussels and moreover anything remotely unpopular- “oh, it’s the EU what done it”- well the why the Fcukin hell are we paying you €250k per annum if we don’t even have control of our own country anymore?

Gant21 · 06-08-2022 05:22PM

One can see why uk jumped ship now. Parts of the uk are concrete jungles. We aren’t far behind them now.

06-08-2022 05:34PM

Seems to be absolutely heaps more Ukrainians after arriving near my local town.

Men, women, children all ages

We're gonna have some child benefit bill in the next few year's. Money for jam, being paid straight into the bank account now no matter where you are.

head82 · 06-08-2022 05:44PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119436985#Comment_119436985

I have a sister in-law who works in the hospitality sector, a popular hotel/eatery on the outskirts of Dublin. She's in her early 50s and this is her sole source of income. A short while back, a couple of Ukrainian women.. early 30s.. joined the workforce. Typical hotel work, hoovering, changing bed linen, replacing soap in the bathrooms.. that type of stuff.

Anyway, both of them quit after two weeks claiming it was 'backbreaking' work and that my sister in-law was "crayzee!" for doing this type of work. Back in Kiev they were both 'beauticians'!

They were only working 16 hours a week as I believe that's all they're allowed work before their SW payments are affected. I don't know what rate of pay they were on but even if it was minimum wage it would have been a nice little top-up to their SW and an ideal opportunity to integrate and contribute (although there would have been little or no deductions on that wage).

I know this is anecdotal and hopefully doesn't reflect on all Ukrainians but it doesn't paint a great picture of their willingness to participate in contributing to their 'Host' nation. Maybe someone has a more positive picture to paint?

06-08-2022 05:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119438029#Comment_119438029

“They were only working 16 hours a week as I believe that's all they're allowed work before their SW payments are affected.” Do you have a link to that? It’s my understanding that unemployment assistance is reduced bu so much for every day worked up to a maximum of 4. Single parents allowance recipients can earn €165 before their claim is affected.

head82 · 06-08-2022 06:04PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119438061#Comment_119438061

I don't have a 'link' and I'm not going looking for one either. You seem to be more of an expert on SW payments than me so you provide the link. Perhaps they were single parents and that €165 allowance equates to approx. 16 hours work per week on minimum wage.

What you most definitely are an expert on is pedantics!

xxxxxxl · 06-08-2022 06:10PM

Seems there is no link to this directive people use constantly. Would have thought it was bookmarked. Anyone know what it's actually called my have to look on the EU site myself.

06-08-2022 06:10PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119438105#Comment_119438105

Yep. I get annoyed when people post supposition as possible facts. Gullible people might believe it and repeat it as being true.

Strumms · 06-08-2022 06:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119436267#Comment_119436267

As predicted…. Taxpayers in this country just an afterthought… get used to it.

06-08-2022 06:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119436198#Comment_119436198

I know we do but we also need to think about the muppet who just have a "thing" about public sector employees 🤣

06-08-2022 06:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437319#Comment_119437319

I know one starting a job next week with the likelihood she along with her family will be moved to a different town a week later due to being in student accommodation.

06-08-2022 06:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119438029#Comment_119438029

If they work 3 days they loose 3 days social welfare just like any other resident in the state. Provided of course they informed social welfare. But revenue has a practice of informing DSP of earnings and PRSI contributions

DSP will catch up on them.

cuttingtimber22 · 06-08-2022 06:58PM

Should we:

offer an amnesty to work in Ireland (2 years but no benefit entitlement).
offer Fas courses (especially construction sector).
when the emergency ends then benefits are cut within weeks with repatriation arranged for (EU can pay for the flights).

Donald Trump · 06-08-2022 07:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119438131#Comment_119438131

I pasted links to it a few times in the thread already.

If you can't find it, there is this handy website called "google.com". You should check it out, It will help you find it very quickly

Donald Trump · 06-08-2022 07:40PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437227#Comment_119437227

What figures do you have there for comparison to show our "vastly superior" benefits package.

xxxxxxl · 06-08-2022 07:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119438430#Comment_119438430

You could have just posted me the like tbh. Why the secrecy. For one I don't know the exact name of the directive.

Donald Trump · 06-08-2022 07:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119438462#Comment_119438462

There is no secrecy. It is the EU temporary protection directive. Not hard to find. I've already posted it a few times - and I'm fairly sure you were active on the thread by that stage.

Actual directive:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32001L0055&qid=1648223587338

Triggering for Ukrainian situation

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/migration-and-asylum/common-european-asylum-system/temporary-protection_en

Donald Trump · 06-08-2022 07:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437601#Comment_119437601

No. Ireland is part of the EU and has/had a say on triggering the Directive. Triggering it was the correct thing to do.

The Directive is about 20 years old and was put in place for such a situation like this.

I wouldn't be deferring to the clowns running the UK for anything. It is a sign that things are going fairly badly for their argument if someone is doing that!

xxxxxxl · 06-08-2022 07:56PM

(15) The Member States' obligations as to the conditions of reception and residence of persons enjoying temporary protection in the event of a mass influx of displaced persons should be determined. These obligations should be fair and offer an adequate level of protection to those concerned.

(20) Provision should be made for a solidarity mechanism intended to contribute to the attainment of a balance of effort between Member States in receiving and bearing the consequences of receiving displaced persons in the event of a mass influx. The mechanism should consist of two components. The first is financial and the second concerns the actual reception of persons in the Member States.

(21) The implementation of temporary protection should be accompanied by administrative cooperation between the Member States in liaison with the Commission.

(22) It is necessary to determine criteria for the exclusion of certain persons from temporary protection in the event of a mass influx of displaced persons.

(25) Pursuant to Article 1 of the said Protocol, Ireland is not participating in the adoption of this Directive. Consequently and without prejudice to Article 4 of the aforementioned Protocol, the provisions of this Directive do not apply to Ireland.

(26) In accordance with Articles 1 and 2 of the Protocol on the position of Denmark, annexed to the Treaty on European Union and to the Treaty establishing the European Community, Denmark is not participating in the adoption of this Directive, and is therefore not bound by it nor subject to its application,

What I have gleaned so far

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32001L0055&qid=1648223587338

Will update dinner is out.

Gant21 · 06-08-2022 08:04PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0806/1314321-student-accommodation/

Student accommodation issues, Pandora’s box is open.

0ph0rce0 · 06-08-2022 08:07PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119437348#Comment_119437348

haha what???

Social welfare since march.
Children's allowance since march.
Free room, food, healthcare...etc.
Soon to be free house ( forever home) for life

No subsidising there at all on our part 😂

Ukrainian, Syian, Afghani, Tte ould congo None of these people should be getting anything.

But they do, and they get all of the above.

**** JOKE

Suckit · 06-08-2022 08:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119438105#Comment_119438105

You won't get one either, as it will forward you to the "mywelfare" page and ask you some questions that don't apply to refugees anyway.

Suckit · 06-08-2022 08:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119438484#Comment_119438484

Triggering it may have been the correct thing to do. But it wasn't to be abused. These clowns (our government - before anyone spits out their tea), don't seem to have a clue what would be considered fair or adequate. It is almost as though they said "feck it if I am bothered working out what this could take, just throw the works at them and we can sort it out later or leave it for the next lot".

It's going to be interesting when the civil servants want their extra pay for their increased workload trying to sort out all the Ukrainians documents.

xxxxxxl · 06-08-2022 08:19PM

3. The Council Decision shall have the effect of introducing temporary protection for the displaced persons to which it refers, in all the Member States, in accordance with the provisions of this Directive. The Decision shall include at least:

(a) a description of the specific groups of persons to whom the temporary protection applies;

(b) the date on which the temporary protection will take effect;

(c) information received from Member States on their reception capacity;

(d) information from the Commission, UNHCR and other relevant international organisations.

So It seems there is 0 obligation to take in any number. Devil always in the Details in the EU. So why is there no cap ? And this treaty does not seem to apply to Ireland anyway. Stand to be corrected. Not suggesting we take in no one.

Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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