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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,068 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    What is your overall main point here? That we should send all the Ukrainians back because you saw some people walking on a beach?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    You're the one throwing in the personal jibes. While calling me a hypocrite, for some reason. Bizarre.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Big difference between one group going to dinner and 40,000+ people.

    I don't know if this years tourist figures have been published yet, but i am willing to bet that they are down, as is their spending from 2019 despite so many being locked up for 2 years and determined to get away.

    It isn't the refugees coming in that is the main issue here. It is the governments squandering of money, barely any acknowledgement that there are homeless here and many other issues too that need looking at, the fact that we are full, the fact that they are being prioritised over other refugees and ourselves, the fact that the very large majority of Ukraine is unaffected, there are many here flying back and forth according to reports online and in the papers, the mess of it, there is no plan as to what is going to happen, how long we will keep spending money on them and sending over military equipment despite the fact that we are still a neutral country no matter what Leo and Coveney say, there are over 30,000 Ukrainians going back to Ukraine daily, yet we are still taking in extra ones, and they are also coming here from other countries.

    That isn't even all of it. There are so many issues and f*ck ups with this it is indefensible. Refugees - fine. Taking the absolute p*ss - not fine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    There you go, didn't take long.

    I take no glee from The Pee being taken out of this country, I respect you've done your bit and I commend you, unfortunately I've seen far to much Shenanigans despite the generosity of folks like you to have any patience left I'm afraid.

    The Thread is indeed a real Eye opener, there are those who Blindy believe every thing they hear and see, Those who refuse point blank to ignore the Shenanigans and blatantly disregard the the Hypocrisy and inequality evident and those who've been objective, see some good, see some shockingly bad decisions and call them out.

    I'm afraid my sympathies have worn quite Thin and no one, absolutely no one has a logical counter argument to the disgraceful carry on, instead they choose to be snide, insulting, petty and childish (not you I might add) but please spare me the sanctimony.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    😂😂😂 Well done you've actually managed to quote me directly rather than the usual, sneaky jibes amongst like minded friends. I called out Hypocrisy incidently, I get your frustrated at having been caught out again but seriously, denying the Obvious, come now, come now 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Ah, jump in to the thread, ask questions without reading back first and post no opinons/points yourself..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Didnt take long for what ? If I have an opinion I voice it . You didnt like it but I cant help that . I see a serious lack of empathy now on this thread . Yes you were gleeful to see the dashcams and put people down . You probably cant see it but this thread is full of it


    You can make your point about the absolute inequality of the decisions made , the crazy decision of the Government and squandering of our money while not loosing sight of the plight of many refugees and of those left behind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    You'd have to laugh at the people who post, day in day out, on this thread for months on end, who then get upset that the story is in the news.

    When they thought that the story of 100 people being sheltered temporarily in the Aviva, which was published in a paper, was being hidden by the papers, there was some conspiracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Now Now my old friend, whos just joined us, I'm hardly going to start explaining my over all point here, there's months of my over all points to digest 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    I have sent several emails to my local TDs, expressing my views and concerns. No feedback yet, it’s a subject no one wants to call out on. No Sinn Fein or independent even.

    For every post that a poster makes if they sent an email to a TD it would be productive. I shall keep emailing other TDs outside of my area also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    There are so many issues and f*ck ups with this it is indefensible. Refugees - fine. Taking the absolute p*ss - not fine.

    Absolutely agreed. And absolutely, this government is completely incompetent when it comes to emergency planning, housing, healthcare and homelessness, and dealing with the Ukrainian crisis, but hey, they seem to be deploying the same solution for both the three Hs and the latter - building the profits of private enterprise - so at least they're consistent.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,068 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I am not reading the guts of 10,000 posts just to catch up buts its clear that there are those who don't want to help the Ukrainians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Now I'm watching the clock, don't want to use up my 22 hours, I've also got to update my checking speller, check my pension has come in etc.

    Quite enough to discuss amongst yourselves from today , I'll check back in later 😉

    adiós till later 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,022 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    You're not prepared to take even a cursury browse over the contents of the thread to ascertain where certain posters are coming from, yet its"clear" there are those who don't want to help the Ukrainians according to you... A lazy and childlike interpretation of the discussion here imhv



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭enricoh


    All the best dempo, could be worse- at least you're not in hospitality anymore! We've half the numbers here now that are expected to be here by crimbo- sod tourism n hospitality n sod the begrudgers! It's all going swimmingly well at present n if it does go pear shaped in the very near future no one could have foreseen it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,504 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    I think TD’s get the feeling and concern and views of the majority of ordinary people .

    but don’t forget any TD who goes against the grain of the Ukrainian supports, influx and multiculturalism in general is basically fûcking away thousands upon thousands of votes.

    the reason you are not hearing back is because of self preservation, nothing else.….

    these people value their careers more then the wellbeing of you and I and this country….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭slay55




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Your post is a little contradictory Strumms. You appear to be saying that politicians only care about votes .... but at the same time they will ignore what you claim is the "majority" in favour of the fewer votes of the minority.

    I think that the majority accept that we have to do our bit to help. There is just a bit of an echo chamber in here with a handful posting the same thing over and over again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The "good night" will be early this evening.

    😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭Irelandsnumberone


    Great contribution to the thread.

    Any opinion on the Govts 'plan' going forward? Has any journalist asked them what's the actual plan?

    Just throw money at it and hope for the best dosnt seem to be working



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭malinheader


    But suppose you can't blame anyone buying up these hotels when you're guaranteed government money and the clientele to go with it.

    Guaranteed weekly payment with no overheads and now 4 star luxury to go with it.

    Perhaps alot of our homeless should learn to speak Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    You are spot on. It’s a poor show that the ones we voted to represent us are gone into hiding.



  • Posts: 7,681 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My colleague was chatting to an old couple last week who came from mariupol. They had just arrived in Tralee



  • Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Its a pity Dempo is gone, I'm leaving the thread now too. I think the main point most of us are trying to make is the absolute shambles our Government is making of this situation. No thought, no plan, billions being thrown at housing Ukrainians while there has been no solution at all to the homelessness in Ireland and to young people who are working and being well paid EVER being able to get a place of their own. Not to mention our health system, lack of GPs, our schools at bursting point, terrible infrastructure and lack of public transport outside of Dublin. We wont even talk about the cost of living and the nightmare this Winter will be for most of us who are working and paying our taxes!

    Emigration now beckons for our youngsters , who will in turn be replaced by hundreds of thousands of refugees and asylum seekers in the next 1-3 years. Ireland will become unrecognizable. I think it's frightening. Maybe many posters here are not parents or grandparents, maybe many are single. But things will change , we all get perspective with age, and you will look back on this time and ask why nobody did anything about this, why it was allowed to happen.

    You will ask why our Government, without any mandate from its citizens, without any debate, threw money at this immigration situation, the same as they do with the HSE (which has wasted billions !) along with free housing, health care, schools, university, food, phones. It will be too late then. Most of us donated and worked initially with helping these refugees. Most of us felt sadness and huge empathy. It is disingenuous to say everyone here is against Ukrainian immigrants. That is simply deflection. I work with 4 of them who came in March. But anyone who is still coming here now IS coming for economic reasons. Just have a look at the Facebook pages, and the amount of queries from Ukrainians in other countries who are on their way over. Word has got out about our FINANCIAL generosity (its certainly not the tents!)

    I have written to every single TD and Government representative I can think of, not just in my own constituency but all over this country! I am not just here on Boards ranting, I have done as much as I can to highlight the concerns a lot of us Irish citizens have, for our kids and grandkids and for the future of this country I used to love. Over and out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭enricoh


    It's a gravy train with biscuit wheels! Used to work in mosney as a teenager, the place was about to go wallop til the asylum seekers came along. The owner is now in the Sunday times rich list at 45 mil- nice work if you can get it

    Who needs a tourism industry when we can have a never-ending refugee industry. We're the third most indebted country in the developed world so what's another few billion on top - it'll be grand!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    In all fairness those coming from war areas like Mariopol and Kherson are not on Facebook . There are some still coming from those areas and will come for a while yet . I know of one gentleman now coming from near Odesa who wouldn’t leave his mother behind . She passed away lately ( of natural causes ) and he is now willing to come . There must be many more like him arriving .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    There are problems, that is clear to see. It's not clear though as to how it can all be handled without denying real genuine war refugees a safe place for a while. That's the least what you & I would hope for if we were in the shoes of Ukrainian people from towns and villages in the east where the war has raged/ is raging. There seems to be an issue in that for speed and simplicity, and being part of the EU, we are obliged to accept all claiming to be Ukrainian at the moment.

    Personally, I think we need to ensure that our arrangements mirror as much as possible what is available in other EU states, in terms of accommodation and financial supports, so as not to incentivise claiming refuge here, as opposed to any other EU state. I believe we should also be screening claimants more thoroughly, so as to ensure we shelter genuine war refugees. These latter are very welcome with a cead míle fáilte, until it is safe to return.



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