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Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Yonce


    Focusing on meagre amounts again and conveniently skipping over the relevant points of peoples inputs again.

    The funds already spent on this debacle is robbing the tax payers pocket. The funds earmarked for next year is astronomical. But let's continue to focus on whatever suits the narrative. Let's bash the hard working taxpayer for not having time to focus time & energy on Ukrainians getting cash in hand.

    Turning a blind eye to blatant discrimination on the natives while sitting on a pension virtue signalling will do nothing to improve the situation. If all you have to worry about is whether the Ukrainians like your digestive biscuits then I sure do hope citizens like you are few and far between.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,606 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Islands are safe in fairness. Also school enrolment numbers, more young people on aging islands, oh and 'out of sight out of mind'

    Donegal’s islands have also welcomed Ukrainian residents, with 14 on Tory and 5 on Arranmore.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump



    All children have shorter waiting times relative to adults. Adults may be priortised depending on the stage of the cancer.

    Imaging begrudging a little child the "benefit" of getting treatment for cancer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,606 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Also that piece says Bundoran has 333 Ukrainians. Town population is ~2000.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Does it matter if they are bored?

    We are providing refuge not entertainment. A place to sleep, food and safety from war are what's important, not spending money and entertainment



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm intrigued at this notion folks are turning a blind eye at criminality and immoral employment practices.

    Firstly it is not for citizens or employees to report immoral employment practices it's for authorities to deal with these issues, I refuse to accept they are not aware of what is going on and hence my argument it is they who are turning the blind eye.

    The immorality is primarily perpetrated by employer's. Do gooders and busy bodies are free to report these practices but fail to grasp the fact employees, whomever they are , maybe caught in the Trap of exploitation. Of course there or those employees who actively engage in this behaviour for a variety of reasons and that is abhorrent especially if they continue to claim benefits, but employer's can easily say no and yet I hear very little criticism of the actual employer's engaged in these practices.

    As for criticising Posters for calling out these practices, it would seem its those very posters who are the cheerleaders when it comes to virtue signalling, rather hypocritical in my humble opinion. They are so caught up in defending and supporting one cohort, they blindy refuse to accept that very same cohort ,just maybe ,might in fact be very naughty and more than adept at acting the maggot .

    One or two reports of shenanigans maybe deemed, exaggeration but come on, these reports , SM content , Media contact and direct experiences over the past few months must have some merit .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Children never wait from diagnoses to treatment when it is cancer .It is always done at the optimum time and could be immediately after all test .Plus anyone already on chemo regime would of course get it when due as that is vital for the plan and regime .

    Post edited by iamwhoiam on


  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Grand. You've explained yourself better now.

    Still don't believe it. If true, then it should be brought to the nations attention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Fair points indeed but is it now governments policy to replace an aging population 🤔 that's a little alarming.

    Isn't this supposed to be a Temporary arrangement 🤔

    Seems a little odd to be placing any refugees on islands to be honest, it's all well and good kids being enrolled in class rooms , that's a good thing , Albeit that raises a host of other problems discussed previously, how are the parents to support themselves 🤔 or is it not particularly a concern and these parents will just be supported by the state for years to come 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,739 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That won't happen. Think about it - How could they force citizens to take in total strangers into their family homes? What about those who are renting? Would they be forced to accommodate a "refugee" in an apartment costing 2 grand a month?

    It would be political suicide. It would be one of the rare times that people would take to the streets in massive numbers.

    The situation is rapidly getting out of control but let's not go nuts here either. They will book out every hotel they can, repurpose every publicly owned building they can, and redirect any social housing available, but no one will be forced to take in a "refugee".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Hmm, interesting take on my analysis on this bizzare move .

    Firstly the protection from war, I'm afraid is rather worn out unless your referring to the 20% of Ukraine currently experiencing military action.

    Just think how farcical this is .

    10's of thousands encouraged to migrate to an island nation, hopelessly unable to cope and now , sending these migrants from one island nation with no room left in the inn to more Islands 🤔 utterly bizzare

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Gamergurll


    Yep same as here a disused hotel is being renovated for the last few weeks, it was originally purchased and reported in the Donegal Daily as being bought to convert into some kind of community centre which is *badly* needed, there is nothing in this town for bored teens to do, apparently the owners changed their minds and did a U-turn when they heard the big bucks were to be made, 200 Ukrainians going in next week, we are only a small town with lots of them here already and the school is already fit to buckle. One of the poor souls was up at the shop yesterday driving a Beemer 🙄

    It was funny when I moved up here all the sh!t talk about preserving the Irish language I was getting lessons myself to help with homework but what's the point the classes are having to teach a large amount in English now, I can't speak really when my Gaeilge is rubbish but so much for our 'culture'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    The notion any one will be forced to take in anyone is utterly absurd , so is the 250k number. It will certainly reach perhaps 100lk 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Defo. Won't happen. I've a spare room, but no way. My own kids are bad enough!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    Well you said

    "what are Ukrainian refugees to do with themselves for the next 7 months, Bird Watch 🤔"

    This would imply they needed things to go. Look I think it's all a shitshow as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Morning 😏 I've 2 spare rooms and unless government want guests to paraglide off the side of a mountain, they are welcome to the spare rooms 😏

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I knew Donegal or sorry 'Little Ukraine' was being treated as a dumping ground but I didn't realise it was that bad, judging by those figures. Obviously the government have never given a hoot about us up here but this takes the biscuit.

    I am dreading sending my children back to school in September to see what a total mess it will be. One little child in my son's class was punching all around him in June. Then I saw his parents and I totally understood. Cigarettes hanging out of their mouths on school grounds, while collecting their children. Paid for by moi of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Well I said exactly that and in the context of supporting themselves, I care less if they are bored to be honest .

    They actually need employment "Alledgedly "

    Perhaps basket weaving could I suppose be an option 🤔

    Taking posts out of context a little disingenuous.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Same story I'm hearing from alot of small towns. The consortium's are snapping up these hotels and turning them into refugee/DP centres, not for the good of the towns or to help these people but purely for the mental money which is being thrown out from government for this accommodation.

    Can't say to much but the ones doing this are far from kind hearted humanitarians if you get what I mean.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I have heard that alright , some troubled kids out there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,640 ✭✭✭Luxembourgo


    But that's where I think we agree. They don't need employment, or spending money.

    Bed, board and safety is what we should be providing. Id rather keep housing and beds near employment for workers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭malinheader


    So this massive increase in population is not going to add to waiting times and treatments getting longer in a service that was struggling to cope fulfilling it's appointments for it's own citizens for alot of years now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭Gamergurll


    Aw well sure there is always a certain bunch who are going around yapping in the shops how kind these owners are, because it is out of the goodness of their hearts obviously, I wonder if the same crowd will say the same if these bored kids go around breaking windows or worse that lost out on a community centre that might have provided a bit of entertainment? Governments job to provide it more than a private company of course but that's another day's argument 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭Gant21


    We will see when another 50,000 hit our shores in the next few months. The government are capable of anything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yes we do agree on this absolutely, I'll admit I was being a little fictitious in pointing out my belief using remote islands seems very odd. Particularly as its becoming clear this temporary arrangement is looking like it's becoming increasingly a permanent arrangement.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,131 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Not what I'm starting to hear.

    One of these hotels is beside a famous golf course and would be essential to tourism in the area. Taking away one of these for tourism is going to have a massive affect on the local economy.

    But at least the consortium or new owners will be seen okay.



  • Posts: 261 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My son has an urology issue. My GP referred him to Crumlin in March of last year, 2021. I have called and called about his appointment but they are jammed.

    My GP has re referred him twice. He was pulling his hair out in frustration and was upset for me and my son.

    I have tried and tried and failed to get him seem by a private consultant in Crumlin. Waiting list is jammed again.

    The HSE is also a shambles because of overpopulation. The same as schools, speaking as a teacher who has seen it all at this stage. The same as my teacher friends who work throughout the country. We are social workers at this stage.



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,200 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I think to be fair there was a point being made about children specifically , Cancer , Chemo needs etc being prioritised and they are which no one can dispute is appropriate.

    But on the overall point re waiting times, Treatments , waiting lists for others I absolutely agree, it's inevitable.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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