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Solar PV battery options

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 509 ✭✭✭munsterfan2


    Pretty much ready to give up on OYE/PWOD, they dont give a f*ck. Just keep replying with rubbish. I did some reading on diysolar and there have bee a lot of threads about these stores shipping crap. https://diysolarforum.com/threads/pwod-still-advertising-calb-200ah-lifepo4-cells-as-new-agrade.41797/ https://diysolarforum.com/threads/beware-of-aliexpress-lifepo4-grade-a-cells-from-oye-store.37786/ and there are many more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭championc


    Was it every cell or just a few ? It sounds like you were just very unlucky / unfortunate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 509 ✭✭✭munsterfan2


    Hi,

    All the cells, range is from 130ah to 150ah. Running the pack at 140ah SOC. The feedback on diysolar shows a lot of people with issues with OYE/PWOD. They have admitted the cells only have 75% of capacity but dont care.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭E30M3



    Reflects my own experience, they wear you down replying with rubbish and wait for you to go away. It is important for anyone going down this route to understand that purchasing cells from Aliexpress is risky and PWOD and or OYE in my case is no guarantee of quality or any level of service if you have an issue.

    Personally I purchased a cell elsewhere to swap into my pack and gave up on trying to get anywhere with OYE.

    Maybe pay using paypal and try to get set up/tested within the protection period but even at that I doubt it will be straightforward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,174 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Did you guys not raise a dispute directly with AliExpress? Stick in some video evidence of capacity testing, if the seller has admitted the capacity is lower than advertised then surely that alone is enough. AliExpress usually sides with the buyer. I have been into many, many disputes (I buy a ton of stuff there) and I've got a 100% refund in every single case.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,174 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Not a great price is right. €2200 shipped for 5kWh? I paid €2300 shipped for 20kWh of quality CALBs a few months ago.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭E30M3


    Aliexpress wouldn't accept a dispute once over 15 days beyond receipt. I was 6 weeks going back and forth with OYE and getting nowhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 509 ✭✭✭munsterfan2


    I am going to fill out a chargeback request with my CC company, just for fun, dont expect it to get anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 374 ✭✭zoom_cool




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭championc


    So €1739 for 100A but we can build 200A with a separate BMS for less 🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,174 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Plus €150 shipping

    And not sure what battery cells that pack uses but almost certainly the CALBS we use in our self built ones are better. I have opened Pylontechs and was not impressed.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,174 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    David Poz just tested that Jakiper battery. It's ok but not great. The cells look like decent prismatic cells (not the crappy pouch cells that are inside Pylontechs). He did discharge it at nearly 100A for nearly an hour though. It's what it is specced at but still, that's impressive. Two Pylontechs totalling the same capacity can only do 50A.


    I'd say if he ever tested the Pylontechs, he would slate them 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,316 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Had to do a double take when his latest video showed up in my youtube subscriptions. Didn't recognise him with the beard. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,174 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Aye! He gave me a right scare a few months ago when he changed his appearance. He used to look normal but now he looks like a red neck off grid mad US prepper. Which I suppose he is 😂

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭insular1


    Currently have over 4kWp of panels on the garage hooked into a 4kW inverter. Think I have just enough space to increase to 6kWp of panels but will have to change the inverter. I plan to DIY a battery system hopefully next year and was wondering what the best options regarding inverters are. I think there are 2 options:

    1. Sell the 4kW and get a 6kW hybrid inverter.

    2. Sell the 4kW, buy a 6kW inverter and ME3000SP to manage the batteries.


    I was planning to go the route of number 2 above before I considered upgrading the number of panels but now I'm not sure. Anyone have any input into the pros and cons of each of the above? Or another option I might be missing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭championc


    If I was you, I'd get the batteries first. Who knows how long we'll get away with the tax, and you see the potential generation in even 4kWp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭insular1


    So go for the batteries with the ME3000SP?


    The advantage of getting the panels is I don't have to do any of the work, so it will actually get done.


    I have been planning this battery install for nearly a year but due to time pressure just haven't been able to commit to doing it. I'm hoping early next year I'll have more scope but in the meantime have some savings I could put towards extra panels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Why not just go for more panels without bumping the inverter? Or to phrase the question another way, how many times have you hit the 4Kw threshold with your existing panels. I've (had) 5.3Kwp of panels with a 5.4Kw inverter, and i never experienced "clipping". Sure there will be times that your inverter may limit your generation, but I would say that for the vast (vast) majority of time you'll still not see the 4Kw anyway, even with the increase in panels.

    Here's a very good day that I had back in May

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    Well short of my max potential. Sure, middle of June, sun overhead at the perfect angles your might get "clipping", but I'd crack on and increase the panels. Wait a few months and then see what you telemetry tells you and then if you feel that your missing "a lot" of generation by plateauing at 4Kw (I doubt it), then upgrade the inverter.

    This way has the added advantage of you having data to decide about the inverter/battery size you can fill.

    One caveat is that your existing inverter has dual strings and you have capacity spare (within voltages usually) to get yourself to 6Kw. E.g. if you have only 1 string and you have 10x panels on it, your unlikely to be able to get to more than 12 panels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭insular1


    I think if I max out the roof with panels I could have 6.2kWp on it if I use the same panels. I'm pretty sure the inverter has dual strings but is it ok to exceed the inverter kW by that much?


    My thinking was in terms of cost it would be cheaper long term to get the hybrid inverter installed now along with the panels as then I can just plug and play the DIY battery pack when I get it done whereas if I just install the panels I'd be getting an electrician back out to connect up the ME3000sp or hybrid inverter at a later date adding additional cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭insular1


    IMG_20220805_153127.jpg

    Also it looks like I am getting some clipping already with 4.5kWp of panels installed. This was pretty much the best day of the past few weeks so definitely not much clipping most days. But with a bump of nearly 2kWp I'd expect the clipping to be a bigger factor?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,174 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The clippings on most days are tiny little peaks shaven off. Only on blue sky days will it matter a lot. And how many of those do we get a year? Install those extra panels first so you are completely maxed out. And leave your current inverter for the moment. The PV summer season is nearly over anyway. See how you get on and make your mind up before next spring what you want to do next. Also the availability of (hybrid) inverters at the moment is poor. But you should be able to get panels.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭insular1


    Thanks for the input all. If just going the panel route I might consider DIY installing them as it's on a lowish garage roof so would be safe enough. Is there a limit to the amount of panels to a dual string inverter in terms of kWp or number of panels?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    Yeah as unkel says, in the production profile you posted.....all you'd be missing out is the area of those "spikes" over 4Kw which it would have jumped up to. Compared to the area under the rest of the chart....it's very little. 1-2% is all you'd get, and it's safe to oversize your inverter (there are limits, but you would be fine)

    Have you considered doing the panel installation yourself? It's generally pretty easy. Also, you didn't mention, but is the garage roof a flat roof or a pitched roof? If it's a flat roof then I'd reckon that the installation could be something you could do yourself. I recently finished a DIY installation myself on a flat roof (I'm not a spark), but if it's a pitched roof....I'd probably think twice about it - although there are plenty of helpful folks here who'd point you in the right direction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,174 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The limit depends on the spec sheet of the inverter, there is usually a limit for total voltage on one string and total voltage overall for the inverter. I.e. on my Solis 6kW I can not have more than 12 panels on one string - well 13 really unless we have a blue sky day while it is minus 20 degrees Celcius or something like that 😂

    What make / model inverter do you have?

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭insular1


    It's the solis 1p4k 4g. The max input voltage is 600. Is there a way to work out max panels per string on this model?

    IMG_20220805_174657.jpg




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭insular1


    And it's a pitched roof, but low height and I'd be comfortable enough on a roof so don't think it would bother me. Would definitely consider it. Might see if I can source the same panels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭championc


    Get the specs for your panels. Find the VOC. Divide that into 520v (single string of two) for the number of panels that you can have in a string.

    EDITED string value

    Post edited by championc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭insular1


    Thanks! That's fairly straightforward. 11.97 panels. So could go to 24 panels max 2x12. Don't have space for that many anyway. I think 2 strings of 8 each would be most I could fit unless I do the north face of the roof too. They're 410wp panels so max I could do on the inverter is 15 I think based on the spec anyway. So one string of 8 and one of 7. Thanks all!

    Post edited by insular1 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,174 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Panel is max 40V roughly, so max for your inverter in total is 600/40=15 panels and max on a string is 520/40=13 panels

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭insular1


    Ah sorry. Misunderstood. My panels have VOC of 50.1. so that means my max is 12 panels total? Not 12 per string?



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