Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

30-07-2022 09:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119408112#Comment_119408112

I was chatting to some Polish living and working in the village years a few mention weeks ago. Their kids were being kicked into prefabs with substitute teachers while the Ukrainians got the classroom and the main teacher.

Not to mention them complaining of not getting their free houses. At least they were putting their dole back into the community by spending it on booze and cigarettes.

gameoverdude · 30-07-2022 09:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119409746#Comment_119409746

I honestly find that hard to believe. Not a chance that happened.

Donald Trump · 30-07-2022 09:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119409697#Comment_119409697

If I was to spend some money on one down in Lisdoonvarna, what sort of guarantee will I get that she won't be wearing my old neighbours knickers?

Maybe what you're really after is to find one that is willing to wear your old neighbours knickers. Be careful if you go raiding the washing lines again. We don't want a repeat of the last time.

But I'm not going to judge you. We are all friends on here.

ShamNNspace · 30-07-2022 09:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119409697#Comment_119409697

Get a receipt whatever ya do, that'll quieten them 👍

30-07-2022 09:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119409757#Comment_119409757

Which part don't you believe? That they're spending their money in the local off licence?

gameoverdude · 30-07-2022 10:02PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119409815#Comment_119409815

Back up the truck a bit!

Where did a couple of beers come into it?

Polish school children into prefabs. God love them. Hold on a second! Schools are off for the summer.

Try again. Don't mention weeks ago. Absolute bs.

Strumms · 30-07-2022 10:17PM

go down the pub in DCU, they are using the student accommodation there and the pub regularly has a good number in there during the afternoon anyway… manager had the place bedecked in Ukrainian flags from day one…

literally hundreds on campus… living there, where they’re going in September is anyones guess..

Gant21 · 30-07-2022 10:48PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119409920#Comment_119409920

Some hotel down the country more than likely.

Yonce · 30-07-2022 10:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119405751#Comment_119405751

Well Maryanne, your fellow citizens are also being abused. By the government whom we pay, and the new economic migrants we've been flooded with. We could also ask our fellow citizens whom have a penchant for the old virtue signalling to not and stop encouraging the influx of economic migrants, and limit the numbers and reduce the ridiculous payments and freebies on offer. They are fed and warm and watered. We could also say that if those said virtue signalling crowd are equally complicit in the abuse of the Irish citizens.

Indeed, stand up for yourself and your country, now there's a motto for you.

Absolutely, well said; where's your effin pride.

Strumms · 30-07-2022 10:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410016#Comment_119410016

I wonder what happens if the don’t want to as seen in other scenarios…

evicting 350 plus people by force might take resources not quite so readily available…

Swapping a leafy suburban landscaped area with park, pubs, post office, shops on campus and others within walking distance… to a rural hotel…. .?

Donald Trump · 30-07-2022 11:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410024#Comment_119410024

The only virtue signalling is from the eejits who are suddenly concerned about homeless or imaginary students. If the Ukrainians all went home next week, the same people wouldn't soon forget about all these other causes they are temporarily championing.

There is no virtue aspect to taking in the Ukrainians. It is an obligation mandated by agreement across the EU due to triggering of the temporary protection directive. It is not mandated by posters on boards. What you bemoan as "virtue" is merely an acceptance that it is something we must do and something that we have to manage. There are plenty of people to whom that is explained but they aren't intelligent enough to understand it so they keep moaning.

30-07-2022 11:21PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119409855#Comment_119409855

You don't know what you're talking about but from reading your posts, that's not a new phenomenon.

Kids are Irish, not Polish.

gameoverdude · 30-07-2022 11:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410089#Comment_119410089

Imaginary students? Are the homeless Imaginary too?

Gant21 · 30-07-2022 11:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410099#Comment_119410099

Polish as in shiny?

gameoverdude · 30-07-2022 11:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410099#Comment_119410099

You were chatting to some polish people and I was to infer their kids were irish?

Donald Trump · 30-07-2022 11:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410108#Comment_119410108

Wasn't it yourself with the imaginary daughter who wasn't going to be able to go to college because of the Ukrainians taking all the accommodation?

You told us all this story and then a few posts later admitted you don't have a daughter

gameoverdude · 30-07-2022 11:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410148#Comment_119410148

Yep.

Yonce · 31-07-2022 12:08AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410089#Comment_119410089

Yeah, you've mentioned this EU directive a few times on the thread....whatever you may think of this great directive, it should not allow for the abuse of the system, and the abuse of the normal inhabitants and taxpayer. Sounds like you would like to whitewash the abuse with a simple ''the EU directive states''.....

I never championed for the homeless or the woke students, not where my priorities lie, either on this thread or elsewhere. I did however voice concerns a few pages back, early on, for the tax payer, the families, the OAPs that can't access hunane healthcare as they are well entitled. The families that can't access basic housing, not the homeless, the families that can't afford the back to school essentials..

Does the EU directive also allow for all the Ukes on webforums and the likes from Poland, Germany, UK, USA, Estonia etc etc trying their damnedest to get over to these shores where the grass is so much greener, so to speak.

fran38 · 31-07-2022 12:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119408673#Comment_119408673

Isn't White's Hydro hotel home to refugees for the last two years? If so, there might be a case made for the festival to go on via zoom 😁, similar to everything else these days.

Donald Trump · 31-07-2022 12:26AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410195#Comment_119410195

The directive gives them rights to certain things including free movement, ability to reside wherever they like (subject to the proviso that they can only be registered in one country at any one time) and the provision of housing.

So it isn't really an abuse for them to avail of what they directive entitles them to. If you were living in Ukraine at the minute, and you had kids, would you prefer it if their mother took them out of Ukraine? You can't call it an abuse of the system.

If you lose your job tomorrow through no fault of your own, and you have the requisite number of stamps, then it isn't abuse of the system for you to claim your jobseekers payment. It would be an abuse of the system to engineer your own joblessness. But those people coming here have not engineered their own situation. Even though plenty on here try to portray it like they are making up lies just to come over here and live in a tent. They don't need to make up lies.

I would much prefer for Ireland to be helping Ukraine by taking in its people and allowing the ones remaining over there to focus on fighting rather than Ireland sending over boots on the ground to fight the Russians. Europe, including Ireland, will be safer with a weaker Russia. The Ukrainians are dying over there to act as a buffer. It will be a lot cheaper and smarter for Ireland (and the EU) in the long run to try to facilitate the Ukrainians to fight the Russians so we don't have to. That is why we take in the refugees and it is why other countries, including the US, are sending over massive amounts of weaponry to Ukraine.

What we are doing is basically the equivalent of holding our buddy's pint while he gets into a punch up with a few lads. The lads who he is fighting with are likely to be coming after us next if he get beaten.

xxxxxxl · 31-07-2022 12:44AM

I suspect the Free movement part was added for the EU to have a stick with which to not allow countries to refuse to accept at all. Rather than an absolute to take any amount. Spirit of the law vs application. So for one we should not be accepting anyone having already been registered in a safe EU state. Bear minimum. As for safety we should prioritise anyone Fleeing from the East and South east. But I would rather the Gov spend the money in the Ukraine to move them to safe areas of the country the vast majority of Ukraine. Anyone found involved in criminality should be repatriated to Ukraine So we have more room for Genuine Ukrainians. On a side note has the guy who was child trafficking been found yet ?

Strumms · 31-07-2022 12:52AM

Anybody found guilty of criminality will get sympathy… mental health, fleeing war etc unlikely to get anything other then minimum / suspended sentences… or the probation act…

rules a plenty to protect and enable the wellbeing and assisting of them… but Irish citizens…. Afterthought dot com.

xxxxxxl · 31-07-2022 12:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410230#Comment_119410230

It's just an Idea But I wager the Ukrainian authorities could put them to work rebuilding as community service. The violent ones could be a 2 for one. Give them a gun and tell them if they like fighting so much have at it plenty of Russians they can be violent too. 🤐

Strumms · 31-07-2022 01:51AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410236#Comment_119410236

Well yes, as there are plenty of them of fighting age that would be appropriate. Just google… Ukrainians arriving in Ireland … lots of males 18-50.

a sad story about a young child being taken here with his family to receive chemotherapy… but receiving it within days of arriving, brilliant…

but, how come that can be arranged ? When there are Irish people waiting multiple weeks from diagnosis to treatment… longer waiting time the worse the prognoses…

if I had a family member here suffering that disease and saw literally people getting off a plane Q jumping and being enabled with treatments I needed for my family member to have a successful outcome….it’s just piss poor.

Dempo1 · 31-07-2022 07:10AM

Not at all sure what to make of this latest news.

Islands may have been idyllic at the start of this but I've got to wonder about the practicalities of this idea, notwithstanding going into winter months.

Few islands would have much spare accommodation available or access to services, what are Ukrainian refugees to do with themselves for the next 7 months, Bird Watch 🤔

Apparently this idea motivated, partially out of desperation but mainly because student accommodation has to be vacated shortly.

"The Department of Children said that of the 4,900 student accommodation beds it contracted around the country, some 3,200 are currently in use"

I suspect the numbers much higher than 3,200.

Full article on the examiner app.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40930016.html

realdanbreen · 31-07-2022 08:17AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410230#Comment_119410230

Are you saying that based on fact? Or basing it on your own attitude to non Irish nationals.

31-07-2022 08:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410024#Comment_119410024

This was my point too Yonce. Maryanne wants us to have some "effin pride" in our country by being good little Irish citizens and paying up all our taxes. Then these said taxes should go to pay the Ukrainians hotel bills, food, medical needs, college fees, food and free travel. Thereby making us proud to be Irish and proud of our country! (although this means probably no student accommodation for Irish youngsters this year, limited places in schools, not enough teachers/resource teachers for kids with learning difficulties, kids on long hospital waiting lists for chronic illnesses)

We are all facing huge cost of living increases and this Winter will be grim. Most of us have kids and grandkids we want to be able to help with childcare, housing and bills. Most of us have the instinct to help the people we love first and foremost. We have helped Ukrainians for months now, they are getting more than Irish people who are unemployed as their housing is free. Its unfair and at this stage everyone can see it. When Vodafone publicly state they are no longer providing free services to Ukrainains they are saying what everyone else is thinking.

My "effin" pride in my country is gone. My Government does not represent me or my needs. They did not get a mandate from the people for what is going on. I am saddened and worried about where this is going. What we were known for is gone as Ireland is already a multicultural country and we cannot talk about it as though we are all white skinned, freckled faced, red haired ,pipe smoking, Aran cardigan wearing people sitting at the crossroads shouting "cead mile failte" at anyone newcomer passing by.

malinheader · 31-07-2022 08:52AM

I got my eyes opened a good while ago.

A local hotel that was that run down couldn't even accommodate tourists or locals. Voila now full of Ukranians, closed to the public and the owners laughing all the way to the bank.

The guests themselves receive weekly payments equivalent to a monthly wages in their own country, accommodation and food paid for is their transportation for shopping trips twice a week.

This country is a total rudderless ship taking orders from a parliament far away.

31-07-2022 08:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410596#Comment_119410596

Turning a blind eye to illegal and immoral workplace practices will do nothing to improve your situation. It is robbing your pocket. Along with the pocket of every taxpayer in the country. But you’re ok with that. I am not.

31-07-2022 08:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119410119#Comment_119410119

Would it matter what nationality they were. They lived and worked in the town. Their kids went to school there. Their livelihoods depended on tourists and there were none.

You were just trying to be smart and it failed....miserably

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