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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,620 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    why not ignore it if you don't like it? 

    I did ignore it, by no longer visiting a site that had become > 50% claptrap. As did the majority of other former users of the site and apparently quite a few contributors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,357 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    There's always TFK and the comments section of The Journal, both repositories of insightful opinions and intelligent debate.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,837 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    If you’re ever stuck for a random Journal.ie comment here’s a random comment generator:


    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,620 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    you can add the Property Pin to that list, another formerly decent site that's been taken over by tinfoil-hat-wearing muppets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,768 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    yeah that was the problem, it wasnt that they had just the odd article featuring alternative viewpoints on Covid, it was that at times they were constantly posting more and more about it and it just became saturated with posts doing a nod to whatever conspiracy stuff was flavour of the day. Thats what drove me away, the site went down the Covid rabbithole and with that it brought out some real bottom dwellers of commenters so the comments became completely unreadable too with the same half dozen people constantly bickering at each other. It badly needed moderation and some bannings but it never happened. It used to be a really good comment section back in its day with lots of really witty creative types on it having a laugh. But once the conspiracy loons moved in it drove good people away and it went to pot pretty quick.

    Finally have to say fair play to John Moynes for producing a limerick every day for almost 10 years, that is some amount of dedicated 'ricking



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Lots of their audience did ignore it. And didn't come back.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭peckerhead


    Never mind Broadsheet, just bring back Twentymajor. And Lucky Luciano, Jimmy the Bollix, Stinkin’ Pete, Hairy Mickey, Splodge and Dirty Dave. Bastardface and Throatripper too, God bless 'em...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭GalwayMan74




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,837 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,311 ✭✭✭Mena Mitty




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    The decline of Broadsheet.ie is a good counterexample to the theory underpinning the censorious nature of public discussion today.

    The aggressive drive to censor and shut down balanced discussion of certain topics is based on the idea that the public are too stupid to process information and form their own opinions. They need to be kept from hearing any balanced discussion or alternative takes because they'll be "misled" and become no better than fascists. That's why after the liveline case we're being flat out told that any and all discussion concerning gender identity needs to come from one point of view, and other opinions are simply unacceptable.

    (I'm sure I'm the 10000000th person to point out the irony whereby those insisting we should only ever hear one point of view, and that they are the sole source of truth are the ones loudly claiming to be fighting fascism....)

    But in the case of broadsheet.ie; it was fine for years serving as a slightly alternative take on the news, not crazy but still discernable from other news and discussion. As a result the Irish online public appreciated it and read it. But once it started peddling horseshit about the pandemic the public used their brains to figure they were being fed lies, that it was no longer trustworthy as a news source and they stopped reading what broadsheet had to offer.



  • Posts: 5,869 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Your entire argument stems from a false premise and is completely founded upon your incorrect starting point, so it falls apart spectacularly.

    People aren't trying to censor balanced discussion.

    People are trying to censor and prevent a) hate-speech and b) dangerous and misleading misinformation, be it deliberate or not. Claiming that you should be allowed to engage in such acts because of the nature of free speech is over simplifying the matter to the point of absurdity. There should not need to be a 'balanced discussion' over everything, because not everything needs to explored from 'both sides'.

    Where a consensus has been reached, especially on something as impactful like covid vaccinations and the inherent dangers that come from the "just asking questions" crowd who behave without any sort of moral compass, then all other falsehoods that have the potential to cause serious and irreparable harm to society should be quashed.

    How far do you take it? I mean, should we have people on the news and current events panels talking about how the seatbelts in cars aren't necessary? Or others saying it's okay to stick forks in plug sockets? Or to drink bleach? For what reason? To provide balance? Do you want to see someone on the 6-one actually debating the point that vaccines have magnets in them, FFS? No? Why not? Are you trying to censor them?

    BS found out the hard way that if you give airtime to such dangerous crackpots, all it will do is drive away the normal moderate folk, who are by their very nature, much more open minded than the anti-scientific crowd, and attract more nutjobs.

    There is no discussion to be had on how much better off we all are when the majority have been vaccinated. Zero. The huge benefits outweigh any of the negatives =, in the grand scheme of things.

    Bodger himself fell down the rabbit hole of the antivaxx crowd for whatever reason and like all good snakes, he refused to be drawn on it and never outwardly stated he was. Instead, he was ostensibly 'just trying to show the other side'. In reality, he was balls-deep in every little thing that showed the vaccines in a bad light. He was too much of a coward to really lay his cards on the table.

    99%+ of the medical professions, the epidemiology sector and anyone else with any sort of skin in the game are in agreement on this. To say otherwise is dangerous. Contradicting them is even more dangerous. Armchair experts on infectious diseases who think they know better than literally centuries worth of doctors and other qualified people can about being censored all they want. If you think you know better than them with your Facebook/Twitter bollocksology, you SHOULD be told to STFU.

    Allowing misinformation to flourish unchecked is dangerous. If you disagree with that, there's a pizza shop owner in DC who'd like to have a word with you.

    The term cancel culture has been misappropriated by right wingers who think they're being told to STFU because they've uncovered some hidden truth that only they can see. In reality, they're being told to STFU because they're talking out of their hole. This is nothing new and it is not the preserve of either the left or the right. The right have been 'cancelling' people for decades.........Nike, Kaepernick, Walmart, Amazon, The Hallmark movie channel, The Dixie chicks......

    When right wing "news" channel GBNews was launched recently, their whole schtick was that they'd be an antidote to 'woke' culture and everything it stood for. Before it even aired, the main anchor and star of the channel immediately came out and said that all discussion of Harry and Megan would be banned on the station. This, from a new self-proclaimed bastion of free speech? Where was all the uproar then?

    Answer: nobody gave a monkeys (careful now, don't wanna get cancelled) because it was something they disagreed with being 'cancelled'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It used to be an interesting and fun site back in the way - Completely lost it's way going down the route of platforming crazed conspiracies and TERFs

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Charger By Jove


    Apologies for my tardy lateness in posting here but foreign climes have been beckoning me since around the time Broadsheet went norks up.

    It's a great irony of course that a site that once made its name for asking difficult and awkward questions eventually closed because posters left in droves as they were uncomfortable with the questions being asked on it. And as time progresses some of those questions about the effects of a mass, relatively untested vaccination programme are now becoming more relevant.

    Ultimately I suspect Broadsheet tried to please too many people and like all internet forums the clique of hardcore posters who inevitably over time like to think it's their baby and no-one elses were offended - simply because John Ryan gave a voice to people who wouldn't normally be given the time of day in the MSM.

    And Broadsheet was riven with contradictions. Like most Irish media there was a large streak of ingrained and unchecked Anglophobia running through it while at the same time moderators wore their woke, right-on credentials like a badge of pride. As long as you abused the right people - Denis O'Brien, the Brits, Protestants, anti-abortionists, anyone calling for checks on immigration, John McGuirk and indeed anyone with a slightly right of centre viewpoint you could pretty well get away with anything defamatory, derogatory and abusive.

    The sweetest irony of all is that those posters who tried to shut down dissenting voices on Broadsheet by calling them racist, bigoted, homophobic and every other entry in the Woke Bingo Full House now have nowhere else to go to spread their bile because they threw their toys out of the pram when John Ryan dared to pose a few uncomfortable questions.

    Not only that they miss out on all the wonderful tales of the life of luxury led by TenPin Terry and the fragrant and voluptuous Lady TenPin.

    A big shout out too to Charger Salmons, Admiral Nelson and Ollie Cromwell.

    Marvellous™



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have to say, the Terry McMahon and Tony Groves columns were hilarious they were so bad, ill informed, and inaccurate. And when they threw their toys out of the plan when commenters did recognise their brilliance it was totes hilair.

    Julian Mercille, another one with delusions of grandeur and a thin skin, but it was also very concerning how inaccurate his columns were given he was or is an academic e.g. didn't know the difference between assets and liabilities on a spreadsheets, and I think he said 4 million Mexicans died crossing the US border or something off the wall like that.


    Shame the comments seem to gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Cut the crap. They weren't "just asking questions" ffs.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Charger By Jove


    I think what you mean to say is that people on the website were expressing views you didn't agree with ...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,078 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Was a regular contributor to the property pin during the financial crisis. That was a really special community at that time. It was like being able to look into the future. Unfortunately the shrewdies who used to post there were driven out looney conspiracy theorists who took over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Posts: 2,725 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Terry McMahon post about auditioning for Fair City is legendary.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Terry McMahon went full on conspiraloon too

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Charger By Jove


    Well, Broadsheet was one of the few outlets in the Irish media that questioned the whole Mother Theresa Claire Byrne and Saint Luke O'Neill campaign that it was the entire nation's patriotic duty to get jabbed with an unproperly tested vaccine that as we now know has produced considerable side-effects including death.

    When the entire Irish media and political Establishment attacked any dissenting voice Broadsheet was one of the few who gave them publicity.

    I might not have always agreed with them but in a country with no functioning opposition and barely a dissenting or questioning voice in the media as the HSE and Holohan ripped up democratic rights and forced a medical dictatorship on Ireland I was grateful for their attempts to voice scepticism.

    This country really could do with more dissenting voices at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,648 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    What's the deal with this word (Conspiraloon) exactly?

    I take as much issue with wacky unprovable nonsense as the next person but there's a huge push by the modern "left" to label anything that isn't in line with the ideas being pushed by big business (media, pharma, tech companies etc) as being somehow related to lizard people or whatever the flavor of the day is.

    Conspiraloon was a favorite of a few regulars on broadsheet, a term of abuse wheeled out on a daily basis until there was no more platform to wheel it out on.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Charger By Jove


    The woke pile-ons were a sight to behold.

    Supposedly liberal and compassionate posters frothing at the mouth and spraying out abuse and invective at anyone who didn't aspire or conform to their narrow group-think.

    And daily calls to ban posters who weren't one of them.

    So it was no surprise when they picked up their ball and ran home for tea with Mammy when John Ryan confounded their smug complacency by giving space to conflicting views.

    You know, like the Irish Times gives editorial room to those commentators whose views don't slavishly follow those of Fintan O'Toole...

    Well, perhaps the Irish Times is a bad example of plurality and independent thought.

    Shame. There were one or two interesting writers and some amusing posters but by jove the place was as dry as a stick towards the end - you wouldn't want to read the comments to have a laugh or cheer yourself up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Posts: 15,661 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If I recall this site started out ok maybe 10 years ago? In recent times even before covid Bodger and some posters became more unhinged and then left for the journal. Jeff Rudd and his fantasy party united people were even a thing for a while.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35 Charger By Jove



    Neither do I.

    But it's how you react to them which marks out the free-thinking and open-minded from the intolerant.

    And in my experience the most intolerant are the ones most afraid of the right to free speech.



  • Posts: 596 [Deleted User]


    I see the unhinged broadsheet commenters have discovered boards.ie



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    "Just asking questions" is the intellectual shield used by at best the contrarian and at worst the anti-authoritarian wingnuts that dove into conspiratorial corners during CoVid. And at very worst the outright prejudiced wanting the veneer of rationality to hide their bigotry.

    And we're now seeing here with the thread bump. Call out obvious bullshít? Funny how quickly the response turns into an excuse to rant about Dem Liberals hating free speech.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,542 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    "Just asking questions".

    I had forgotten about the Kate Fitzgerald thing. Years and years of 'just asking questions', blaming various people for her suicide while simultaneously making the case it wasn't suicide at all, and it was all a giant conspiracy and cover-up.

    Dreadful.



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