Ukrainian refugees in Ireland - Megathread

Again Suckit. For the final time, your buddies whom you are promoting who want to end DP, are not people who don't want asylum seekers. It is run by current and past asylum seekers who want DP to be abolished and for asylum seekers instead to be given permanent housing and benefits immediately.

You are free to support that if you want. But I think that you are supporting them under the misunderstanding that they want to "end" asylum seekers or reduce the benefits available to them.

Successful asylum seekers, once processed, are (in theory at least) moved out from under the DP umbrella, get their own status here and then are entitled to things. Your "end DP" buddies want that on day one so that everyone - including the ones that are eventually denied - get it as soon as they walk off the plane. They would be happy to have your support even if it is the case that you have been hoodwinked. Share their tweets, promote them onto other social media. It is all good for them and their agenda. They are well capable of spreading stories about Ukrainians in order to build up resentment against DP (even though Ukrainians are not in the DP system)

They are using the Ukrainians, and they are using others to spread their message.

Given your promotion of them, there are two possibilities. One is that you didn't understand what their agenda is, and the other is that you support them. You said it wasn't the former, so then it must be the latter. You are entitled to do that.

Look it is clear. You are a fan of the "end DP" people. You understand exactly what their agenda is and you promote it on here and possibly elsewhere. As you are entitled to do. I disagree with their agenda. You are free to support it. It is a free country in that respect.

But you should at least be honest and not also using their sneaky tactics when spreading their message. Not everyone knows that it is a movement to increase benefits to asylum seekers. Some might think their agenda is to decrease it. If you get pi$$ed off that I highlight their real agenda on here, then you will have to deal with that and I suggest just be honest and up front about your motivations from the start. Then you have nothing to worry about.

I am 100% sure that you have no idea where I am coming from, and I am happy with that. You only have to actually read over my posts here in their entirety to get an idea, but it is your prerogative to not bother doing that.

I wouldn't get pi$$ed off if you highlighted anyones agenda on here. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Feel free to explain everything to everyone. Not sure most will listen, as they are more than capable of reading for themselves, but you don't see that..

You can look back through the thread. Most of the "outrage" about tents and photos of tents come from the "anti-Ukrainers".

I was aware of the facts. I can read thanks. It was you who asked for the link.

As mentioned in the previous post, the Ukrainians may have requested it, or the owner may not be able to afford to put them on the books. I didn't create the scenario.

I was under the impression that any help is help. No matter the cost or consequences on the Irish economy.

You should look back through the thread yourself. You have a very fixed mindset and it does you no good when you are trying to incorrectly label people or discuss posts or quotes that don't exist.

It was nothing to do with history of anything. It was to do with posting a tweet from a crowd about how some fella bought a direct provision centre for a few million and was going to be making a hundred million billion Euros or whatever from Ukrainians over it.

The crowd who tweeted the tweet are a group that want to end direct provision. I merely pointed out that what they mean by "end direct provision" is not "end asylum seekers getting benefits" but that "asylum seekers should get full benefits immediately i.e. permanent housing and full access to SW and labour market before their application is processed".

That is why they are latching onto hysteria about Ukrainians and deliberately conflating the two. Their agenda is the ending of DP. Not "ending of asylum" (which cannot be done)

But there is excusing €135 per day and giving them full benefits?

I mean, who exactly is encouraging the black market here? I can't imagine many or possibly any of them will quit that goldmine to work 4 days a week for the same amount or less.

Im pretty happy with the use of tents for all until vetted. It's provides refuge and shelter at a time they are in need.

After which benefits required could be determined.

You are stuck Donald.. 😂 Can't get past it..

It's funny to see, but also tiresome. But thank you for attempting to explain again what a group called "Abolish Direct Provision" are all about.. 🙄